What if an AIT appeal is UNsuccessful what happens next?

[johnboy096]

Assalamu Alaikum and Salutations everyone!

I hope you're all well.

My ex-wife's appeal hearing is in a couple of weeks, I was enquiring as to what would happen if her appeal is unsuccessful or successful.

Basically the hearing is about my ex coming back on a visa spouse that was retracted and after lying to the Immigration Officer she was informed she had no right to stay, but she has the right to appeal as we're a fair country.

The Immigration Officer did say some scary stuff - that she might say that she was a victim of domestic violence and that I forced her to sign the divorce papers.

I've spoken to the police after my wife rang her and I told her we were divorced and that she needed to get on with her life.

She told me to go to hell, and that she would be "watching" me.

I informed my family what had happened and they rung the police, then I started getting nuisance calls from random no's and people laughing down the phone.
I then received calls from my ex @ my place of work where she would be rude & aggressive to my colleaugues - As i work for the local council all calls are recorded.

I rang the Border and Immigration @ Manchester and they stated that "perhaps it was best not to pursue this" as she could get tied up in a police investigation, as the IO stated she used lie after lie to get them to release her.


So what I'm trying to ask is if the judge dismisses her appeal.
What happens next?
Is she given another right to appeal?

And if the judge does allow her to stay?

I never believed that she lied even though my friends and family said she did.

But I have to face the facts and know she did lie - as the IO would have no reason to say she lied, also police would have no reason to lie as my ex stated to them "that I still had her belongings."
I know this isn't true as I gave her everything she owned plus some of stuff eg. my notepad which I kept my thoughts in, she took after I removed my pages, also she was a little short and needed a sub until she could get to Pakistan and get access to her a/c.

Sorry for the post being so long - anyone got any experience or thoughts on what could happen.

Thanks again in advance.

Peace!

[gollywood]

BUt she's not your wife - legally you have nothing to do with her (and vice-versa). Dont see what your problem with her appeal is now that you are divorced. The emotional stuff means JACK in courts.

Just get on with your life. Otherwise you are going to be a bitter man for the rest of it.

[johnboy096]

BUt she's not your wife - legally you have nothing to do with her (and vice-versa). Dont see what your problem with her appeal is now that you are divorced. The emotional stuff means JACK in courts.

Just get on with your life. Otherwise you are going to be a bitter man for the rest of it.

I'm not bitter, just very hurt bro.

So none of her allegations will stand up @ the hearing.

I'm assuming the judge will have read some of the background???

And who's Jack???!!! Joking man - - - lol

I've informed her she left me & I no longer want anything to do with her, but I keep getting nuisance calls @ work!

And as the IO stated any investigation could tie her up here, I have to ignore it. Which I'm trying to.

[johnboy096]

So what I'm trying to ask is if the judge dismisses her appeal.
What happens next?
Is she given another right to appeal?

And if the judge does allows her to stay?

What reasons could he let her stay on?

Human rights, compassionate grounds???

I know the harrassment wont stop.

[johnboy096]

Just been informed the appeal hearing is next week...

Lets see which lies they tell, make me out to be the bad guy...

Oh well lets see what happens...I wont hold my breath.

It'll be ok - Inshallah!

[johnboy096]

Just been informed the appeal hearing is next week...

Lets see which lies they tell, make me out to be the bad guy...

Oh well lets see what happens...I wont hold my breath.

It'll be ok - Inshallah!

The IO informs me the hearing is this Monday.

2-days to go...

Hopefully the nuisance calls will cease - I cant wait for it to be all over Inshllah.

In the words of Muhammad Ali & Bundini Brown

"RUMBLE YOUNG MAN RUMBLE!!!"

[johnboy096]

what happend ?

An old friend of mine contacted me, he's still in touch with my ex.
I received a txt from him this morning.
He said my ex sounded pretty happy - she told him about the hearing, he said he couldn't tell me the outcome - but that my ex was in good spirits.

I think he wanted me to read between the lines and that she's been given remain to stay.

Oh well!

Anybody know if that sounds plausable?

Thanks

[johnboy096]

EID MILAD UN NABI MUBARAK everyone!!!

[johnboy096]

I just found out the outcome.....the hearing was ADJOURNED as she had late representation.

So there you go - she managed to wangle her way out again.

Was the judge having a laugh!

The AIT what a joke!

Enter by deception = get to stay in the UK!!!

[johnboy096]

I just found out the outcome.....the hearing was ADJOURNED as she had late representation.

So there you go - she managed to wangle her way out again.

Was the judge having a laugh!

The AIT what a joke!

Enter by deception = get to stay in the UK!!!

Hello,

You can contact the Home Office Presenting Officer (HOPO) at the nearest AIT (Tribunal) and inform him that you wished to be a witness of HIS side, that is, give evidence against your former spouse.

You should also seek permission from the AIT to do that.

Should you be allowed to do that, the case will be quashed by the judge in a minute !

Hi Immigration Lawyer,

The hearing has been rescheduled for late April.

Can I expect to be asked questions by the Immigration Judge, her representative and the presenting officer from the Home Office.

My brother is a lawyer and he says he would never put me on the stand, as he believes I'll lose my cool and swear at her.

That wouldn't be a wise move really!

The hearing is set for the AIT in Manchester - would I contact this AIT or any of them?

I've also been informed the HOPO is only picked 24-hours before the hearing by the AIT in Manchester.

So could I meet him @ the hearing & give him an overview even if I decide against being a witness on his side?

Also would I have to go the nearest AIT to her which is in Manchester - 320 odd miles from where I live?

Thanks

[johnboy096]

I just found out the outcome.....the hearing was ADJOURNED as she had late representation.

So there you go - she managed to wangle her way out again.

Was the judge having a laugh!

The AIT what a joke!

Enter by deception = get to stay in the UK!!!

Hello,

You can contact the Home Office Presenting Officer (HOPO) at the nearest AIT (Tribunal) and inform him that you wished to be a witness of HIS side, that is, give evidence against your former spouse.

You should also seek permission from the AIT to do that.

Should you be allowed to do that, the case will be quashed by the judge in a minute !

Hi Immigration Lawyer,

The hearing has been rescheduled for late April.

Can I expect to be asked questions by the Immigration Judge, her representative and the presenting officer from the Home Office.

My brother is a lawyer and he says he would never put me on the stand, as he believes I'll lose my cool and swear at her.

That wouldn't be a wise move really!

The hearing is set for the AIT in Manchester - would I contact this AIT or any of them?

I've also been informed the HOPO is only picked 24-hours before the hearing by the AIT in Manchester.

So could I meet him @ the hearing & give him an overview even if I decide against being a witness on his side?

Also would I have to go the nearest AIT to her which is in Manchester - 320 odd miles from where I live?

Thanks

Assalamu Alaikum all,

I've changed my mobile phone no. and I keep receiving calls from a private no.
This is really beginning to do my head in now - as only 10 people have my no. and the only place it's going to be is on the letters/evidence that would have been provided to her lawyer/solicitor to look over.

You'd think they would have blanked my personal details out, but obviously they haven't - just received another two calls whilst writing this blog!
This is getting beyond a joke!!!

May Allah help me Inshallah

[johnboy096]

I just found out the outcome.....the hearing was ADJOURNED as she had late representation.

So there you go - she managed to wangle her way out again.

Was the judge having a laugh!

The AIT what a joke!

Enter by deception = get to stay in the UK!!!

Hello,

You can contact the Home Office Presenting Officer (HOPO) at the nearest AIT (Tribunal) and inform him that you wished to be a witness of HIS side, that is, give evidence against your former spouse.

You should also seek permission from the AIT to do that.

Should you be allowed to do that, the case will be quashed by the judge in a minute !

Hi Immigration Lawyer,

The hearing has been rescheduled for late April.

Can I expect to be asked questions by the Immigration Judge, her representative and the presenting officer from the Home Office.

My brother is a lawyer and he says he would never put me on the stand, as he believes I'll lose my cool and swear at her.

That wouldn't be a wise move really!

The hearing is set for the AIT in Manchester - would I contact this AIT or any of them?

I've also been informed the HOPO is only picked 24-hours before the hearing by the AIT in Manchester.

So could I meet him @ the hearing & give him an overview even if I decide against being a witness on his side?

Also would I have to go the nearest AIT to her which is in Manchester - 320 odd miles from where I live?

Thanks

Just a general question for any immigration specialists or lawyers.

How would you get the judge to adjourn the hearing - if you're client had arrived without a valid visa?
And had divorce being processed in Pakistan - and the appelant was arguing the divorce wasn't valid?

Would that give you enough to get her leave to stay?

Or would you advise her she needed to go back to the home country and re-apply for a visa?

As a side point on 10 nuisance calls today!

[johnboy096]

I just found out the outcome.....the hearing was ADJOURNED as she had late representation.

So there you go - she managed to wangle her way out again.

Was the judge having a laugh!

The AIT what a joke!

Enter by deception = get to stay in the UK!!!

Hello,

You can contact the Home Office Presenting Officer (HOPO) at the nearest AIT (Tribunal) and inform him that you wished to be a witness of HIS side, that is, give evidence against your former spouse.

You should also seek permission from the AIT to do that.

Should you be allowed to do that, the case will be quashed by the judge in a minute !

Hi Immigration Lawyer,

The hearing has been rescheduled for late April.

Can I expect to be asked questions by the Immigration Judge, her representative and the presenting officer from the Home Office.

My brother is a lawyer and he says he would never put me on the stand, as he believes I'll lose my cool and swear at her.

That wouldn't be a wise move really!

The hearing is set for the AIT in Manchester - would I contact this AIT or any of them?

I've also been informed the HOPO is only picked 24-hours before the hearing by the AIT in Manchester.

So could I meet him @ the hearing & give him an overview even if I decide against being a witness on his side?

Also would I have to go the nearest AIT to her which is in Manchester - 320 odd miles from where I live?

Thanks

Just a general question for any immigration specialists or lawyers.

How would you get the judge to adjourn the hearing - if you're client had arrived without a valid visa?
And had divorce being processed in Pakistan - and the appelant was arguing the divorce wasn't valid?

Would that give you enough to get her leave to stay?

Or would you advise her she needed to go back to the home country and re-apply for a visa?

As a side point on 10 nuisance calls today!

Any ideas anyone???

[johnboy096]

Hi all,

I spoke to the Home Office Presenting Officer (HOPO) yesterday.

He informed that if I was still receiving nuisance calls, to get the police to fax a copy of the report to the AIT & hisHOPO unit in Old Trafford.

He said the judge would not be looking @ just her visa status, but her reasons for coming back.

He said that they had forwarded the letters I had written to the AIT, by simply just photocopying them and giving them to her solicitor and they may well have not blanked my details out.

Just very angry as I'm still being harrassed, and the Immigration Officer had informed me it would be an open & shut case.

The date has now been reset for the 22-April 2008.

[johnboy096]

My wife is trying to obtain REFUGEE status.

Is that feasable? Considering she entered by deception on a visa spouse.

[IMMIGRATION LAWYER]

Hello,

As a lady she has a bit nore chances of success with that, although there must be QUITE some evidence to prove that her life is in real danger if she returns.

I wold say that her chances of success are slim, unless she gets legal aid=public funded lawyer and it goes on and on and on...AIT...High Court/Court of Appeal/House of Lords...European Courts.

It all depends how she is determined...

[johnboy096]

Hello,

As a lady she has a bit nore chances of success with that, although there must be QUITE some evidence to prove that her life is in real danger if she returns.

I wold say that her chances of success are slim, unless she gets legal aid=public funded lawyer and it goes on and on and on...AIT...High Court/Court of Appeal/House of Lords...European Courts.

It all depends how she is determined...

Hi Immigration Lawyer,

I wouldn't say she was in any danger from anyone, as all her family are there (bar her paternal uncle).

Also the town she lives in is Jhelum which is hardly a backward town, if anything it's quite upbeat.

Do the nuisance calls not account for anything?
Here's a log of the ones I've managed to note down.

Friday 21st March 2008

00:27
00:33 – Answered to Silence
09:51
10:06
12:17
13:14 (Switched off phone for remainder of day)

Saturday 22nd March 2008

Phone Switched off until 15:00
20:05
21:49

Sunday 23rd March 2008

12:55 – Answered to Silence

Wed 26th March 2008

00:48
00:53
01:14
21:36
23:37 – Answered to Silence

Thursday 27th March 2008

11:57 - Answered to Silence
12:04 - Answered to Silence
12:09 - Answered to Silence
16:27 - Answered to Silence
16:34 - Answered it was my ex asked her where she got my no. from hung up
16:37 - Answered to Silence
16:46
23:18

Sunday 30th March 2008

23:51 – Answered to Silence

I'm awaiting a call from the nuisance calls dept from my mobile phone provider since last Wed.

If she's behaving like this now, God help me if they let her stay!

If anything I’m in danger of going mad!

[khan85]

Johnny dont let her get to u!

shes just being a #@*##@ i wont say it!!!

y dont u just change ur number and move on with ur life beleve me that will get to her!!

[johnboy096]

Johnny dont let her get to u!

shes just being a #@*##@ i wont say it!!!

y dont u just change ur number and move on with ur life beleve me that will get to her!!

Hi,

The situation is, is that I've already changed my no. twice, I've changed my landline for the 1st time in 15years.

Also it' not me, just receiving these calls, it's my dad as well.

The point is that they want to try to bully me, and what they don't realise is that I don't "bully easy".

We don't get intimidated by people ringing up, it causes me stress but it doesn't scare me.

The more she calls, the worse it looks for her and her friends.

I don't know how the Asian community operates in Blackburn, but ringing up and acting like a kid doesn’t work.

They’ve got all my personal details address, Tel no, enough to commit identity fraud.

I know what SOME Asians are like – the criminal element is an angle I can’t afford to ignore.

[khan85]

well wat to say...

i hope Allah shows her sum AKAL and she grows uppp..

[johnboy096]

well wat to say...

i hope Allah shows her sum AKAL and she grows uppp..

Inshallah - and Allah will send her home to her parents, perhaps they'll teach her some manners!

[khan85]

lolzz yepp..
inshallah tha will happen!!

all the best bro, jus b patient and Allah knows how to deal with people like that!

[johnboy096]

lolzz yepp..
inshallah tha will happen!!

all the best bro, jus b patient and Allah knows how to deal with people like that!

Maybe it's her kismet/fate to live in the Uk.
Allah knows best.

Does anyone know would the nuisance calls be valid @ the next hearing as evidence?

[johnboy096]

My EX-WIFE HAS BEEN SENT BACK!!!

[khan85]

REALLLLLLLLLLLY!!!!

GOOD BERRY BERRRRY GOOD!!

now u get ur life back and make a fresh start