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Just to clarify, I also had valid international driving licence at that time and did not know that International driving licence is also not valid if you complete your one year in the UK.Sushil-ACCA wrote:Driving with no licence is punishable crime ( Indian licence , mot , insurance all illegal once applicant completes one year in uk )
if u have done an accidnet on intl licence after one year yr insurance cover is not valid
that is equal to no insurance and driving
now a days traffic offence are taken very seriously by HO
Obviously too late for you but hopefully others sharing that misconception who read this topic will be warned that it is absolutely clear ..... an overseas or international licence has no validity in the UK except during the first 12 months in the UK.Just to clarify, I also had valid international driving licence at that time and did not know that International driving licence is also not valid if you complete your one year in the UK.
I wouldn't say it was minor...indian_in_uk wrote:Thanks for your replies guys.
I understand and I do agree that it was my fault (Ignorance is no defence as joe777 said). what I am trying to say is that I did not know this when this happened and after the incident I never tried this again. I am a law abiding person and whatever happened was just because of pure ignorance.
I just want to ask as I read in the guidance notes that HomeOffice may choose to ignore "Minor traffic" offences for Naturalisation, is my offence likely to be considered as Minor by any chance? (Thinking that I have been granted ILR)
Driving without license is not a minor offence. The caseworker guidance makes it clear that its one of the offences that CANNOT be disregarded while considering an application for naturalisation. Vinny has posted a link to the relevant guidance elsewhere..indian_in_uk wrote:Thanks for your replies guys.
I understand and I do agree that it was my fault (Ignorance is no defence as joe777 said). what I am trying to say is that I did not know this when this happened and after the incident I never tried this again. I am a law abiding person and whatever happened was just because of pure ignorance.
I just want to ask as I read in the guidance notes that HomeOffice may choose to ignore "Minor traffic" offences for Naturalisation, is my offence likely to be considered as Minor by any chance? (Thinking that I have been granted ILR)
See also Naturalisation, when to apply?thirdwave wrote:Driving without license is not a minor offence. The caseworker guidance makes it clear that its one of the offences that CANNOT be disregarded while considering an application for naturalisation. Vinny has posted a link to the relevant guidance elsewhere..
well well well, you dnt have to be so excited mate,I mentioned above that after I was caught I did not drive in the UK again.. I have acknowledged my mistake. How come you are so sure that I knew about it? Do you know for how long I was driving in the UK? do you know me ?? I do not think I need a Chacacter certificate from you.. Not everybody is like "one such spouse" that you mentioned in your message.vinay shanthi wrote:the OP is lucky he is not a doctor or things would have been much worse.
doctors who have got prosecuted for such things, apart from the usual points fines conviction etc have been reffered by police / court to gmc. gmc has initiated disciplinary procedures against such people and one person i am aware of lost his gmc registration for conduct unbecoming of a doctor (for conviction as driving without valid license and insurance was not valid for same reasons inspite of paying insurance premium), hence later his job in nhs as he didnt have registration. then i guess had to leave uk as was unemployed, unemployable and with bonus of criminal conviction. also aware of another case simlar issues which was pending court case.
but that doesnt deter quite a few pigheaded migrants driving around on these international licences for 10y knowingly doing so in feigned ignorance especially some not employed spouses who dont have fear of after effects from professional regulation authorities etc!!! i heard about one such spouse even being let off by the cop with a warning not to do it in future when she had been doing that for almost 10y in uk after batting her eyelids and crocodile tears etc. such people doing this for so long need to be locked up. people staying for long times in uk and pleading ignorance is just an excuse. someone new in uk i can understand the ignorance bit.
it is good that u acknowledged ur mistake and didnt drive again on IDL after 1y in uk.indian_in_uk wrote:well well well, you dnt have to be so excited mate,I mentioned above that after I was caught I did not drive in the UK again.. I have acknowledged my mistake. How come you are so sure that I knew about it? Do you know for how long I was driving in the UK? do you know me ?? I do not think I need a Chacacter certificate from you.. Not everybody is like "one such spouse" that you mentioned in your message.vinay shanthi wrote:the OP is lucky he is not a doctor or things would have been much worse.
doctors who have got prosecuted for such things, apart from the usual points fines conviction etc have been reffered by police / court to gmc. gmc has initiated disciplinary procedures against such people and one person i am aware of lost his gmc registration for conduct unbecoming of a doctor (for conviction as driving without valid license and insurance was not valid for same reasons inspite of paying insurance premium), hence later his job in nhs as he didnt have registration. then i guess had to leave uk as was unemployed, unemployable and with bonus of criminal conviction. also aware of another case simlar issues which was pending court case.
but that doesnt deter quite a few pigheaded migrants driving around on these international licences for 10y knowingly doing so in feigned ignorance especially some not employed spouses who dont have fear of after effects from professional regulation authorities etc!!! i heard about one such spouse even being let off by the cop with a warning not to do it in future when she had been doing that for almost 10y in uk after batting her eyelids and crocodile tears etc. such people doing this for so long need to be locked up. people staying for long times in uk and pleading ignorance is just an excuse. someone new in uk i can understand the ignorance bit.
Just calm down and relax.. and about "pigheaded migrants" - you better mind your language.
A friend of mine was involved in an accident with a car driven by one such doctor who was driving on his Russian licence. The guy had flunked his UK driving test twice and was still driving around after spending more than 2 years in the UK on his Russian licence. The lady had serious injuries as this guy backended her on a road and pushed her off the road including fractured ankle, broken spine, punctured lungs etc. The insurance company notified the police, the guy was cautioned and as far as I know is still happily employed by NHS and happlily driving around!!! The insurance company had to pay more than 70,000 GBP in compensation for the injuries she suffered and she still can not walk properly.vinay shanthi wrote:
doctors who have got prosecuted for such things, apart from the usual points fines conviction etc have been reffered by police / court to gmc. gmc has initiated disciplinary procedures against such people and one person i am aware of lost his gmc registration for conduct unbecoming of a doctor (for conviction as driving without valid license and insurance was not valid for same reasons inspite of paying insurance premium), hence later his job in nhs as he didnt have registration. then i guess had to leave uk as was unemployed, unemployable and with bonus of criminal conviction. also aware of another case simlar issues which was pending court case.
well u can always report this serious offence to the general medical council under good conduct rules and point out this chap had failed Uk DL exam twice and was driving on IDL after 1y in uk and point out due to this he was driving without valid license and also consequently without valid insurance and hence in breach of good conduct rules of gmc. follow through with this route if interested in redressal of grieviences. then gmc will have to initiate an enquiry and will decide appropriate remedy. previously i do know that some such people have been suspended from the medical register and consequently lost their jobs as well. if my family member was injured like this i wouldnt hesitate one second to see that such people are taken to task by reporting them to all concerned authorities. also just because the police cautioned him, it does not mean that ur friend personally cant file civil and criminal prosecution in personal capacity against the driver. i would have done that as well if affected my familydavidm wrote:A friend of mine was involved in an accident with a car driven by one such doctor who was driving on his Russian licence. The guy had flunked his UK driving test twice and was still driving around after spending more than 2 years in the UK on his Russian licence. The lady had serious injuries as this guy backended her on a road and pushed her off the road including fractured ankle, broken spine, punctured lungs etc. The insurance company notified the police, the guy was cautioned and as far as I know is still happily employed by NHS and happlily driving around!!! The insurance company had to pay more than 70,000 GBP in compensation for the injuries she suffered and she still can not walk properly.vinay shanthi wrote:
doctors who have got prosecuted for such things, apart from the usual points fines conviction etc have been reffered by police / court to gmc. gmc has initiated disciplinary procedures against such people and one person i am aware of lost his gmc registration for conduct unbecoming of a doctor (for conviction as driving without valid license and insurance was not valid for same reasons inspite of paying insurance premium), hence later his job in nhs as he didnt have registration. then i guess had to leave uk as was unemployed, unemployable and with bonus of criminal conviction. also aware of another case simlar issues which was pending court case.
I think she reported this to GMC and GMC told her that since there was no prosecution, they have decided not to do anything against him. She filed a suit against him which was settled by the insurance company and I don't know if they decided to go after this guy. He is still very much practicing in London as per GMC list. I agree with you that one needs to make sure that such scums get a punishment they will never forget but I think she dropped it after GMC told her that there is nothing they are going to do.vinay shanthi wrote: well u can always report this serious offence to the general medical council under good conduct rules and point out this chap had failed Uk DL exam twice and was driving on IDL after 1y in uk and point out due to this he was driving without valid license and also consequently without valid insurance and hence in breach of good conduct rules of gmc. follow through with this route if interested in redressal of grieviences. then gmc will have to initiate an enquiry and will decide appropriate remedy. previously i do know that some such people have been suspended from the medical register and consequently lost their jobs as well. if my family member was injured like this i wouldnt hesitate one second to see that such people are taken to task by reporting them to all concerned authorities. also just because the police cautioned him, it does not mean that ur friend personally cant file civil and criminal prosecution in personal capacity against the driver. i would have done that as well if affected my family
She sits just across the door from me and I checked with her as the accident happened in 2002- a long time ago. However things have happened at slow pace- she complained to GMC in 2003 and they have taken action against this guy in 2007- they have issued a formal warning to him for criminal behaviour which is valid until 2012. I have told her to write to BIA about this guy and the fact that he was cautioned as this guy might have/ will soon be applying for naturalisation as he came to the UK in early 2001. If you can PM me the address she should send this to I can pass it on to her and make sure that she sends it. She is just 30 and already has arthritis as her ankle was smashed to pieces in the accident and can not have children due to injuries to her uterus and tubes. I feel that people like this who have no respect for human life deserves to be taught a lesson.vinay shanthi wrote: but it might be too late now if a long time has passed since this has happened. yes i agree such scums should suffer the consequences of their actions. but unfortunately many times the victim is in no postion to enforce rules as their health would have suffered etc so they wont be able to follow up. do hope ur friend gets better soon.
sorry to hear about the injuries suffered by ur friend and life long consequences. it is precisely because of lenience shown to offenders that people dont feel a deterence by committing such offences.davidm wrote:She sits just across the door from me and I checked with her as the accident happened in 2002- a long time ago. However things have happened at slow pace- she complained to GMC in 2003 and they have taken action against this guy in 2007- they have issued a formal warning to him for criminal behaviour which is valid until 2012. I have told her to write to BIA about this guy and the fact that he was cautioned as this guy might have/ will soon be applying for naturalisation as he came to the UK in early 2001. If you can PM me the address she should send this to I can pass it on to her and make sure that she sends it. She is just 30 and already has arthritis as her ankle was smashed to pieces in the accident and can not have children due to injuries to her uterus and tubes. I feel that people like this who have no respect for human life deserves to be taught a lesson.vinay shanthi wrote: but it might be too late now if a long time has passed since this has happened. yes i agree such scums should suffer the consequences of their actions. but unfortunately many times the victim is in no postion to enforce rules as their health would have suffered etc so they wont be able to follow up. do hope ur friend gets better soon.