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Thank you zimba88.zimba88 wrote:On the form and in each job creation table, you enter each period worked on a separate row and tick part time/full time as appropriate
To be clear, the guidance says "the hours of workers in 2 part-time jobs can be combined"iveelu wrote:Thank you zimba88.zimba88 wrote:On the form and in each job creation table, you enter each period worked on a separate row and tick part time/full time as appropriate
I have the form for employment created (Table 3b2) so I understand the format you mentioned. I just wasn't sure if they will accept same employee repeatedly listed on the same table and the combined hours between switching from full-time and part-time. It's good to know that it is fine .
Thank you for your opinions.marcnath wrote:To be clear, the guidance says "the hours of workers in 2 part-time jobs can be combined"iveelu wrote:Thank you zimba88.zimba88 wrote:On the form and in each job creation table, you enter each period worked on a separate row and tick part time/full time as appropriate
I have the form for employment created (Table 3b2) so I understand the format you mentioned. I just wasn't sure if they will accept same employee repeatedly listed on the same table and the combined hours between switching from full-time and part-time. It's good to know that it is fine .
The example also talks about two different workers and two different jobs.
Unless someone has experience to the contrary, I would guess that combining two part-time stretches for the same job (irrespective of whether it is one worker or two) would not be allowed. So, for worker 1, the 1st three months cannot be combined with the 3 months after she went back to part-time. In my opinion, even hiring a different worker to the same job will not allow you to combine.
Of course, you have the freedom to decide what is a separate job and what is the same job.
Yours seem to fit the guideline well to qualify for points for 1 of the 2 jobs needed.wahmed786 wrote:Hi Bro,
i also have a not exactly but looks like a similar kind of problem like you. Let me tell you
I combined 2 part timers with one full timer, both part timer worked for three months (06 hrs+ 24 Hrs /week= 30hrs/week) and full timer who replace them worked for 09 months.
as per policy no clear guidance available, i am also going to apply in next month for extension.
marcnath wrote:Yours seem to fit the guideline well to qualify for points for 1 of the 2 jobs needed.wahmed786 wrote:Hi Bro,
i also have a not exactly but looks like a similar kind of problem like you. Let me tell you
I combined 2 part timers with one full timer, both part timer worked for three months (06 hrs+ 24 Hrs /week= 30hrs/week) and full timer who replace them worked for 09 months.
as per policy no clear guidance available, i am also going to apply in next month for extension.
Is the second job a full time person for 12 months ?
According to my understanding of the guidance, I agree with Zimba88's reply as above.zimba88 wrote:On the form and in each job creation table, you enter each period worked on a separate row and tick part time/full time as appropriate
The length of these two are different, so you only get 1 full time job for 3 months (based on Job number 3)wahmed786 wrote:Dear marcnath,
Now question is how i can combine these job through documentary evidence as per table in guideline
this is how i did, please tell me is it right way ?
Job Number: 2
Job Title: Marketing Assistant
This job is being combined with another job to make equivalent of 1 full time job,
indicate which job: 03.
Employee Name Start Date in Job End Date in Job No of Hours/Week Part-Time
XXXXXXX 15/01/2016 01/10/2016 06/week _____ Yes
Job Number: 3
Job Title: Marketing Assistant
This job is being combined with another job to make equivalent of 1 full time job, indicate which job: 02.
Employee Name Start Date in Job End Date in Job No of Hours/Week Part Time
xxxxxxx 01/07/2016 01/10/2016 24/week Yes
Job 4 is a full time job, so it is not being combined with another job.wahmed786 wrote:Job Number: 4
Job Title: Marketing Assistant
This job is being combined with another job to make equivalent of 1 full time job, indicate which job: 02 & 03.
Employee Name Start Date in Job End Date in Job Hours/Week Full-Time
xxxxxx 01/10/2016 Till Now/Still Working 30/week Yes
i need help in this regards
best regrads
Thanks for sharing.wahmed786 wrote:Hi Bro,
i also have a not exactly but looks like a similar kind of problem like you. Let me tell you
I combined 2 part timers with one full timer, both part timer worked for three months (06 hrs+ 24 Hrs /week= 30hrs/week) and full timer who replace them worked for 09 months.
as per policy no clear guidance available, i am also going to apply in next month for extension.
Unfortunately, the guidance is not clear on a) whether this can be done and b) how to present it.wahmed786 wrote:Dear marcnath
I wants to clear that i created two full time jobs. One is full time with issue at all and other is combined with part timers and full timer. i asking for the job which is combine with part timers.
Basically i am claiming the point fro the period ended from 01/07/2016 to 30/06/2017. (12months) for part timer combine with full timer
job 02 starts 15/01/2016 but i will claim point from 01/07/2016 to 01/10/2016 (3 Months)
combine with job 03 which start from 01/07/2016 till 01/10/2016 both works for 03 months both left and replaced them through on full timer for next 09 months to complete full one year. and she is till working. to complete the 12 months.
now my question is how to explain HO through papers and at table
regards
Right, so you are assuming that you can combine 9 months of full-time with 6 months of part-time for the same worker within the same job to make up the total hours?iveelu wrote: If it is fine, then my first employee can be counted as full-time job number 1 using her own part-time and full-time working hours, since Job number 1 will exist over 12 months and the total hours will be enough.
The guideline says "We consider a 30-hour working week to be full-time." So, it is not the total hours that is important - but the need to have 52 weeks, each being 30 hours or more.asad ullah wrote:Hi All,
I am also confused with job creation, I have one employee he worked in some months 154,136,134,124 and 128 hours but total number of hours are 1570, Please guide will it fulfill the requirement of one full time employee or HO shall consider only hours which are more than 130. Please note I fall under category of pre 6 April 2014 .
The guideline is "If the employee is an EEA national, the biometric data page of a passport containing their photograph and personal details, or a UK registration certificate/permanent residence document". Look up the "UK registration certificate/permanent residence document" and see if the document you have matches that.asad ullah wrote:My second question is that I don't have the passport copy of my other part time employee with me and now she has left and gone back to Europe, but I have his copy of ID and UK residence. Will it be ok or would it have any problem. Need input of senior members please.
That is insufficient information to make a clear conclusion because it is not clear how the hours are distributed monthly or weekly.iveelu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:17 amFor the job creation, please see the breakdown below:
Job 1-
A: 22/09/16 – 18/11/17, 7.2/hr, 1380.50/total hours
Job 2-
B: 17/05/17 – 23/09/17, 7.5/hr, 232.25/total hours
C: 10/11/17 – 15/05/18, 7.2/hr, 197.80/total hours
D: 13/03/18 – 08/07/18, 7.4/hr,58/total hours
Job 1 is combined with Job 2.
Job 3 -
E: 06/03/17 – 15/04/17, 7.2/hr, 184.35/total hours
F: 30/10/17 – 15/05/18, 7.2/hr, 355.38/total hours
G: 14/5/18 – 03/09/18, 7.1/hr, 280.25/total hours
Job 4 -
H: 02/08/17 – 05/08/18, 7.4/hr, 750/total hours
Job 3 is combined with Job 4.
All of these employees are with passport, payslips, RTI. Yet, case worker only calculated partial hours from A and B.
The problem is that you calculate total hours, which is wrong.iveelu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:09 pmThank you marcnath. Yet I still don't understand the way you explained me the hours.
In my understanding, Job 1 worked 1380.50 hours in 52 weeks, so it's 26.54 hours per week, Job 2 worked 488.05 hours in 52 weeks, so it's 9.38 hours per week. So these 2 jobs should add up enough for 30 hours per week for 52 weeks.
Same for Job 3, which is an average of 15.76 hours per week, with Job 4, 14.42 hours per week. They are both over 1,560 hours.
Am I understanding it wrong.