Tier 1 Entrepreneur 50K SET(o) Checklist

[aman90]

Hi Aman,

do I qualify with the below employee if I use payslips until Nov 2018? NO

Job 1= employee 1
Job 2=employee 2
Job 3= employee 6

And sorry about the Photograph, I did not realise that we don't need on sopra steria.

Thanks

I’m not confident that you do with the above upto NOV 2018.
Read my previous answers on how you possibly can!

Also please confirm here the start dates of the 3 employees and mention the months they have been employed for MORE than 120 hrs per month only again.
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Hi Aman90,

Please see the below employee hours:

Employee Start Date End Date Hours

Employee1 FT Sep-2017 Oct-2017 =104+140+144+136+135
Total - 659

Employee 2 FT then changed PT from (Aug) -- Jan 2018 - Ongoing = 184+176+168+184+168+176+104+104+104+112
Total = 1480.

Employee 6 FT Nov 2017 -- Ongoing = 2080

or the second option is if I include all of the employees:

Employee1 FT Sep-2017 Oct-2017 =104+140+144+136+135
Total - 659

Employee 2 FT then changed PT (Aug) -- Jan 2018 - Ongoing = 184+176+168+184+168+176+104+104+104+112
Total = 1480.

Employee3 FT July-2018 to Sep-2018 =72+136+80 Total - 288 (left this employee and carry forward on employee4 )

Employee4 FT Sep-2018 Nov-2018 =64+128+56 Total - 248 (left this employee and carry forward on employee5 )

Employee5 FT Nov-2018 Ongoing =115

Employee 6 FT Nov 2017 -- Ongoing = 2080

Many Thanks
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In your case.. it’s better if you just go for the SECOND option where you easily qualify.
Wishing you success!

[rock05]

Hi Aman,

do I qualify with the below employee if I use payslips until Nov 2018? NO

Job 1= employee 1
Job 2=employee 2
Job 3= employee 6

And sorry about the Photograph, I did not realise that we don't need on sopra steria.

Thanks

I’m not confident that you do with the above upto NOV 2018.
Read my previous answers on how you possibly can!

Also please confirm here the start dates of the 3 employees and mention the months they have been employed for MORE than 120 hrs per month only again.

Hi Aman90,

Please see the below employee hours:

Employee Start Date End Date Hours

Employee1 FT Sep-2017 Oct-2017 =104+140+144+136+135
Total - 659

Employee 2 FT then changed PT from (Aug) -- Jan 2018 - Ongoing = 184+176+168+184+168+176+104+104+104+112
Total = 1480.

Employee 6 FT Nov 2017 -- Ongoing = 2080

or the second option is if I include all of the employees:

Employee1 FT Sep-2017 Oct-2017 =104+140+144+136+135
Total - 659

Employee 2 FT then changed PT (Aug) -- Jan 2018 - Ongoing = 184+176+168+184+168+176+104+104+104+112
Total = 1480.

Employee3 FT July-2018 to Sep-2018 =72+136+80 Total - 288 (left this employee and carry forward on employee4 )

Employee4 FT Sep-2018 Nov-2018 =64+128+56 Total - 248 (left this employee and carry forward on employee5 )

Employee5 FT Nov-2018 Ongoing =115

Employee 6 FT Nov 2017 -- Ongoing = 2080

Many Thanks
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In your case.. it’s better if you just go for the SECOND option where you easily qualify.
Wishing you success!
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Thank you very much for your help.

[rock05]

Dear Members,

I need some clarification for the pre April 2014 transitional arrangement -- job creation.

As per the policy guide:

Pre 6 April 2014 transitional arrangement- job creation
If you successfully applied to enter and have continually remained in the route since before 6 April 2014, and you are making an extension application or a settlement application, you may continue to employ (and score points for job creation for):
• 1 worker for 24 months
• 1 worker for 6 months and one for 18 months
• 4 workers for 6 months each

Question 1 : Do we have to have job as per the above exact number of Months ?
Question 2 : Let say if we have 1st FT employee for 13 months , 2nd FT employee for 10 Months and 3rd employee for 2 Months . Can we count all these month altogether 25 months ?
Question 3 : let say if I have one part time employee for 4 months . can I count this as 2 month Full time job?

any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Meesha]

Hi,
1.No
2. Yes (Though consider more expert advise which u will get soon)
3. yes

[aman90]

Dear Members,

I need some clarification for the pre April 2014 transitional arrangement -- job creation.

As per the policy guide:

Pre 6 April 2014 transitional arrangement- job creation
If you successfully applied to enter and have continually remained in the route since before 6 April 2014, and you are making an extension application or a settlement application, you may continue to employ (and score points for job creation for):
• 1 worker for 24 months
• 1 worker for 6 months and one for 18 months
• 4 workers for 6 months each

Question 1 : Do we have to have job as per the above exact number of Months ?
Of course not. It’s an example. Can be any combination.. so NO
Question 2 : Let say if we have 1st FT employee for 13 months , 2nd FT employee for 10 Months and 3rd employee for 2 Months . Can we count all these month altogether 25 months ?
Answered this before and answering again YES. Also the required months is 24.

Question 3 : let say if I have one part time employee for 4 months . can I count this as 2 month Full time job?

NO. Simply coz the guidance states 2 part time jobs can be combined with each other to make a full time job.
a single part time job can’t be combined with it self.
Though I’ve seen someone get it but by virtue of total number of hours but I wouldn’t suggest you to take the risk.. when you already have enough.

any advice will be greatly appreciated.
Don’t read excerpts in isolation. Also I’ve tried to help you earlier.. I don’t understand why you don’t read the answers.. I thought I wrote in very plain English

Thanks

[rock05]

Hi CR001,

Just a quick question in relation to the employees.

Tier 1 ent pre April 2014

Please check the below meet the requirement for job creation.


Employee Start Date End Date Hours
Employee1 FT 09-2017. -- 01-2017 =104+140+144+136+135
Total - 659
4 months
Employee 2 FT Then PT(Aug) 01-2018. -- Ongoing =184+176+168+184+168+176+104+104+104+112
Total = 1480.
6 months or possibly 8

Employee3 FT 07-2018. -- 09-2018 =72+136+80 Total - 288
1 month

Employee4 FT 09-2018 -- 11-2018 =64+128+56 Total - 248
1 month

Employee5 FT 11-2018 -- Ongoing =115

Employee 6 FT 11-2017 -- Ongoing 2080
13 months

Total Hours : 4870

Many Thanks

When was your extension granted? And applying when?
24 months or 104 weeks
Any number above 30hrs/week is disregarded Anything below 120hrs per month is considered part time

Dear Aman and other members.

I had long conversation with my solicitor regarding the employees hour but I am not satisfied with his statement and clarity on hours (I think he is not even sure). He has suggested me to use employee 4,5 and 6 as well and it makes the employee hours sheet complicated .Employee 3 left and than 4 left in small period and I can't use some month hours as its below 120.

I am thinking to use employee 1 , 2 and 6 only to make sheet simple and clear. As you suggest me to use employee 6 - December payslip and add up 1 more month to complete 24 months.

Employee 1 -- 4 months
Employee 2 -- 6 months
Employee 6 -- 14 months (including December payslip)

is that alright to use only these employees ?

And employee payslip and RTI does not show the employee number of hour. so in this case I need to provide them employees contract. (Any suggestion to mention employee hours)

Sorry to be a pain .

thanks in advance

[aman90]

You should donate to this forum instead of wasting money on solicitors
Anyways
And read closely..
you are fine whatever option you take as you have enough employment!
Yes. Nicer to keep it concise.
so yes if you actually posted the start dates and the months ur employees worked more than 120hs
I would be in better position to guide you.
Keep the payslips n RTI FPS in front of you before you answer..

[aman90]

Who does ur payroll? Ask them to reprint with hours on it.

[aman90]

Easier ways to confirm hours than contract.
1. Job table- online application
2. Payslips- hours confirming wage rate.

The caseworker should calculate hours based on salary, age and minimum wage requirement of the period.
You could also:
3. Draw a table- detailing names, wage rate, number of hours per month, any changes in minimum wage during the 12 months.
Minimum wage changes every April so check before and after according to age of employees unless you pay over above required minimum wage.

[rock05]

You should donate to this forum instead of wasting money on solicitors
Anyways
And read closely..
you are fine whatever option you take as you have enough employment!
Yes. Nicer to keep it concise.
so yes if you actually posted the start dates and the months ur employees worked more than 120hs
I would be in better position to guide you.
Keep the payslips n RTI FPS in front of you before you answer..

Dear Aman90,

Thank you very much for your help indeed.

Yes, i will definitely donate to this forum. I will ask my accountant to re-print all the payslip with number of hours.

Please find the below employee:


Employee 1 10-09-17 30-01-18 104 140 144 136 135 Carry forward to Employee 2

Employee 2 01-02-18 Ongoing 184 176 168 184 168 176 104 104 104 112

Employee 3 15-07-18 28-09-18 72 136 80 Carry forward to Employee 4

Employee 4 20-09-18 10-11-18 64 128 56 Carry forward to Employee 5

Employee 5 12-11-18 Ongoing 115

Employee 6 01-11-17 Ongoing 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160

Employee 2 employment was changed from full time to part time from 01-08-2018.

All employees are more than on minimum wage.

Many Thanks

[aman90]

Please find the below employee:


Employee 1 10-09-17 30-01-18 104 140 144 136 135 Carry forward to Employee 2

Employee 2 01-02-18 Ongoing 184 176 168 184 168 176 104 104



Employee 6 01-11-17 Ongoing 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160

Employee 2 employment was changed from full time to part time from 01-08-2018. No need to mention.

All employees are more than on minimum wage.

Many Thanks
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Examine the highlighted portions closely. Ive deleted some months
In my opinion you qualify by them alone.
By- ADD the DEC18 RTI FPS for Dec 18 of employee 6 and it’ll be perfect .

I’m curious one of your employee’s worked 184hrs in a month. Are following the work time directive?

[aman90]

Rti FPS from
SEPT 2017 to DEC 2018
Payslips of the highlighted months above including Dec 18.

[aman90]

Strick the work time directive comment. It’s irrelevant!

[rock05]

Please find the below employee:


Employee 1 10-09-17 30-01-18 104 140 144 136 135 Carry forward to Employee 2

Employee 2 01-02-18 Ongoing 184 176 168 184 168 176 104 104



Employee 6 01-11-17 Ongoing 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160 160

Employee 2 employment was changed from full time to part time from 01-08-2018. No need to mention.

All employees are more than on minimum wage.

Many Thanks

Examine the highlighted portions closely. Ive deleted some months
In my opinion you qualify by them alone.
By- ADD the DEC18 RTI FPS for Dec 18 of employee 6 and it’ll be perfect .

I’m curious one of your employee’s worked 184hrs in a month. Are following the work time directive?
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Hi Aman,

Thank you for clarification.

I will claim only these employee including December paylisip.

My account is saying that if we add the number of hour on payslip than it come with some discrepancy and need to be adjusted as all staff were calculated by Annual package. shall i show the contract papers ? or any other suggestion ??

Thanks

[rock05]

Rti FPS from
SEPT 2017 to DEC 2018
Payslips of the highlighted months above including Dec 18.

Hi Aman,

Employee has started in January last week and it was add up in next Feb month salary that why its 184 hours

[aman90]

Hi Aman,

Thank you for clarification.

I will claim only these employee including December paylisip.

My account is saying that if we add the number of hour on payslip than it come with some discrepancy and need to be adjusted as all staff were calculated by Annual package. shall i show the contract papers ? or any other suggestion ??

Thanks
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Ur accountant being difficult. Coz below is how it’s calculated.
Salary per month on payslip divided by wage rate= no of hours per month
E.g
Payslip-£1000/wage rate 7.83= 127.71 hrs

No contract necessary.. too much information.

What start date for employee 2 did you send to HMRC?
Was emp 2 mentioned on RTIFPS for JAN 18?

[aman90]

Easier ways to confirm hours than contract.
1. Job table- online application
2. Payslips- hours confirming wage rate.

The caseworker should calculate hours based on salary, age and minimum wage requirement of the period.
You could also:
3. Draw a table- detailing names, wage rate, number of hours per month, any changes in minimum wage during the 12 months.
Minimum wage changes every April so check before and after according to age of employees unless you pay over above required minimum wage.

I’ve already suggested above

[rock05]

Hi Aman,

Thank you for clarification.

I will claim only these employee including December paylisip.

My account is saying that if we add the number of hour on payslip than it come with some discrepancy and need to be adjusted as all staff were calculated by Annual package. shall i show the contract papers ? or any other suggestion ??

Thanks

Ur accountant being difficult. Coz below is how it’s calculated.
Salary per month on payslip divided by wage rate= no of hours per month
E.g
Payslip-£1000/wage rate 7.83= 127.71 hrs

No contract necessary.. too much information.

What start date for employee 2 did you send to HMRC?
Was emp 2 mentioned on RTIFPS for JAN 18?
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Hi Aman,

I will speak with my accountant again.
Yes we did inform HMRC that employee 2 start was in Jan and its on RTI as well.

[aman90]

Ok
Does the salary amount submitted for FEB18 RTI FPS correspond with employee 2’s Feb 18 payslip?
There should be no discrepancy there..

[rock05]

Ok
Does the salary amount submitted for FEB18 RTI FPS correspond with employee 2’s Feb 18 payslip?
There should be no discrepancy there..

Hi Aman,
On Feb 2018 RTI mentioned that employee started on 29 January 2018.

Paylsip calculation example as per accountant :

Annual Package : 24000
Monthly salary before tax : 2000
weekly hours :40
=2000/10.98
=182.14 hours which is a lot as she has worked only 40 hours each week

[aman90]

Ok
Does the salary amount submitted for FEB18 RTI FPS correspond with employee 2’s Feb 18 payslip?
There should be no discrepancy there..

Hi Aman,
On Feb 2018 RTI mentioned that employee started on 29 January 2018.

Paylsip calculation example as per accountant :

Annual Package : 24000
Monthly salary before tax : 2000
weekly hours :40
=2000/10.98
=182.14 hours which is a lot as she has worked only 40 hours each week

Forget the contract n annual package!!!
The annual package is irrelevant and is not part of the payslip. It’s part of the contract.
Are the amounts the same on both RTI and payslip?
Also be very careful of accountants.
I requested my RTI FPS from my accountant and he sent me an employers summary which is inadmissible.
Don’t totally trust ur accountant or any solicitor.
Use ur mind as at the end of the day or it’ll be you who will suffer not them..

[rock05]

Ok
Does the salary amount submitted for FEB18 RTI FPS correspond with employee 2’s Feb 18 payslip?
There should be no discrepancy there..

Hi Aman,
On Feb 2018 RTI mentioned that employee started on 29 January 2018.

Paylsip calculation example as per accountant :

Annual Package : 24000
Monthly salary before tax : 2000
weekly hours :40
=2000/10.98
=182.14 hours which is a lot as she has worked only 40 hours each week

Forget the contract n annual package!!!
The annual package is irrelevant and is not part of the payslip. It’s part of the contract.
Are the amounts the same on both RTI and payslip?
Also be very careful of accountants.
I requested my RTI FPS from my accountant and he sent me an employers summary which is inadmissible.
Don’t totally trust ur accountant or any solicitor.
Use ur mind as at the end of the day or it’ll be you who will suffer not them..

Yes amount are same on RTI and paylips.
you are right Aman these guys dont care .

[aman90]

Ok. Good!
That’s it then.
On the application the employee 2 or in fact any employees start date will be the start date sent to HMRC.
For fulfilling requirement of hours just the relevant payslips. I’ve mentioned the ones you should give. The figures on the payslip must correspond to RTI FPS of the same month.

The payslip doesn’t necessarily have to state the hours or even the wage rate. It’s just eases calculation for both you and caseworker.
You could draw up a table and as I mentioned earlier as well if you don’t want the hours n wage rate mentioned on the payslip.

[rock05]

Ok. Good!
That’s it then.
On the application the employee 2 or in fact any employees start date will be the start date sent to HMRC.
For fulfilling requirement of hours just the relevant payslips. I’ve mentioned the ones you should give. The figures on the payslip must correspond to RTI FPS of the same month.

The payslip doesn’t necessarily have to state the hours or even the wage rate. It’s just eases calculation for both you and caseworker.
You could draw up a table and as I mentioned earlier as well if you don’t want the hours n wage rate mentioned on the payslip.

Thank you Aman for the clarification on job creation.

I cant find PAYE letter , what other document we can use ?

Thanks

[aman90]

PAYE reference letter is not important
Sine your business is on RTI then you obviously registered.
Ask ur accountant. You probably gave it to him or he registered for it.. if he handles ur payroll as well..
Did you not submit it at time of extension.. you must have some back up..
I tend to scan all documents.