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Well, actually it will affect all those countries participating in the visa-waiver program as far as I understand... So most of Europe, Japan, NZ, AUS,...Fairtrade wrote:Britons visiting America will now have to register 72 hours in advance
British visitors to the United States will have to register their trip with the American government 72 hours before they leave, it will be announced today.
The new plans - the latest in a series of measures designed to strengthen security - will see all travellers from countries which do not currently require a visa forced to register online three days before flying.
The scheme is expected to be announced today by Homeland Security
secretary Michael Chertoff, to take effect from January.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... vance.html
I don't think that's entirely true. I find that the Australians' Electonic Travel Authority requirement is more than vaguely similar to the Americans' new scheme.eliasuk4u wrote:Just out of curiosity, why no other country (either Europe or non european countries) is imposing anything like what Americans are imposing on others? Does it mean that Americans are superior than anyone else in the world? What a load of rubbish.
I think that the Australian Electronic Travel Authority (ETA) is very similar indeed. In fact, from what I have read the US plan might well have been modelled, at least in part, on the Australian system.RobinLondon wrote:I don't think that's entirely true. I find that the Australians' Electonic Travel Authority requirement is more than vaguely similar to the Americans' new scheme.
I do wonder, however, how the UK/EU will respond to this and how soon they may implement a similar demand of their own...
How in the world would you come up with that?eliasuk4u wrote:Just out of curiosity, why no other country (either Europe or non european countries) is imposing anything like what Americans are imposing on others? Does it mean that Americans are superior than anyone else in the world? What a load of rubbish.
Plenty of countries require visas of visitors — the difference there is that the information is not (necessarily) submitted electronically and there is physical evidence placed in the passport, in the form of a sticker or stamp. In this case, the information is submitted electronically and there is nothing placed in the passport. And of course, plenty of countries that require visas take much more than 72 hours to process the application...republique wrote:How in the world would you come up with that?eliasuk4u wrote:Just out of curiosity, why no other country (either Europe or non european countries) is imposing anything like what Americans are imposing on others? Does it mean that Americans are superior than anyone else in the world? What a load of rubbish.
More superior? What is the superiority in requiring registration.
Is it not a sign of being scared?
How does superiority play into it.?
Are you talking about America here?? Yes, I think so. They are sacred because of their foreign policy is coming back to haunt them.Is it not a sign of being scared?
I would be happy if most of the countries impose same rule on American citizens that Americans wishing to travel should register 72 hours in advance. How does that sound?How does superiority play into it.?
Sounds like you are just bitter, because that requirement isn't an expression of superiority so if you think so, then I feel sorry for you.eliasuk4u wrote:Are you talking about America here?? Yes, I think so. They are sacred because of their foreign policy is coming back to haunt them.Is it not a sign of being scared?
I would be happy if most of the countries impose same rule on American citizens that Americans wishing to travel should register 72 hours in advance. How does that sound?How does superiority play into it.?
Sounds like you are just bitter, because that requirement isn't an expression of superiority
We are not talking about VISA restrictions here we are talking about the restrictions imposed on NON visa nationals. Why can't America simply say to get a visa to before entering its shore which will expire in few months or years time instead of registering in a system which will hold your data for 15 YEARS.Some countries do impose visa restrictions. Brazil and Australia require US citiizens to obtain a visa before visiting.
I think most Americans I know would be OK with that. Bad things have happened in Europe too - would be nice if both US and Europe became safer places.eliasuk4u wrote:As I said earlier how would American's feel if they are asked to register 72 hours in advance if they want to visit Europe.
So far you still haven't explained how it is superiority to require registration before visiting. And I do not see your distinction about non visa nationals. Why would you ask people with visas to register, clearly you got them in your database already?eliasuk4u wrote:Sounds like you are just bitter, because that requirement isn't an expression of superiority
Its nothing bitter about America. I think it is expression of superiority. As I said earlier how would American's feel if they are asked to register 72 hours in advance if they want to visit Europe. They might say to Piss off. but if its other way round its their home land security.
We are not talking about VISA restrictions here we are talking about the restrictions imposed on NON visa nationals. Why can't America simply say to get a visa to before entering its shore which will expire in few months or years time instead of registering in a system which will hold your data for 15 YEARS.Some countries do impose visa restrictions. Brazil and Australia require US citiizens to obtain a visa before visiting.
I answered this questions numerous times, i will repeat again if you insist. Americans wants all the non visa nationals to register 72 hours in advance before they board the plane to US. but my question and the time will tell, what will happen if it happen to be the other way around. Say all the American citizens need to register 72hours in advance if they want to travel to all the non visa required nations such as European countries. Americans will probably will say "I don't think so buddy" which makes them to think that they are superior than any other citizens in the world.So far you still haven't explained how it is superiority to require registration before visiting
My point is would American's register 72hours in advance if they want to visit Europe??? I don't see that happening in near future ...And yeah so can everyone else say piss off if they don't want to register so what is your point
Yeah rite...American's don't care if they have to register,
I never said I want to visit. And its the last place in the world I would wanna visit unless they change their attitudes towards.if you don't like it, don't go to the usa.
I said the same thing, Americans won't go if they have to register and it has nothing to do with superiority, it has to do with convenience. The USA is about customer service and if it isn't easy, we don't get involved.eliasuk4u wrote:I answered this questions numerous times, i will repeat again if you insist. Americans wants all the non visa nationals to register 72 hours in advance before they board the plane to US. but my question and the time will tell, what will happen if it happen to be the other way around. Say all the American citizens need to register 72hours in advance if they want to travel to all the non visa required nations such as European countries. Americans will probably will say "I don't think so buddy" which makes them to think that they are superior than any other citizens in the world.So far you still haven't explained how it is superiority to require registration before visiting
My point is would American's register 72hours in advance if they want to visit Europe??? I don't see that happening in near future ...And yeah so can everyone else say piss off if they don't want to register so what is your point
Yeah rite...American's don't care if they have to register,I never said I want to visit. And its the last place in the world I would wanna visit unless they change their attitudes towards.if you don't like it, don't go to the usa.
There you go, American won't register if Eurpoeans impose same scheme on them but other have register if they wanna visit them.. eh? I hope European union DO impose similar registration scheme on US citizens soon.Americans won't go if they have to register and it has nothing to do with superiority
If it is for convenience it have to be two way not just one way.it has to do with convenience.
You need to accept the truth. some times truth is bitter.So stop this nonsense about superiority
Hope all you want but no one is going to impose any restrictions on the USA because we are a good source of income for the travel industry around the world.eliasuk4u wrote:There you go, American won't register if Eurpoeans impose same scheme on them but other have register if they wanna visit them.. eh? I hope European union DO impose similar registration scheme on US citizens soon.Americans won't go if they have to register and it has nothing to do with superiority
If it is for convenience it have to be two way not just one way.it has to do with convenience.
You need to accept the truth. some times truth is bitter.So stop this nonsense about superiority
Its a very long, never ending debate (and a good one too!) about this issue so I think we both should stop before Admin or moderator step in and ban both.
Goodluck Uncle SAM
Well, I can easily imagine the Schengen countries imposing some sort of similar requirement on non-visa non-EU/EEA nationals at some point in the future. It's partly a question of technology, too: a few years ago the logistics of this sort of arrangement would have been either impossible or impracticable. It isn't so any longer, thanks to the internet and improvements in digital data storage.republique wrote: Hope all you want but no one is going to impose any restrictions on the USA because we are a good source of income for the travel industry around the world.
Maybe but I doubt it. France tried to do it at one point and it became too much admin for them that they gave up.Christophe wrote:Well, I can easily imagine the Schengen countries imposing some sort of similar requirement on non-visa non-EU/EEA nationals at some point in the future. It's partly a question of technology, too: a few years ago the logistics of this sort of arrangement would have been either impossible or impracticable. It isn't so any longer, thanks to the internet and improvements in digital data storage.republique wrote: Hope all you want but no one is going to impose any restrictions on the USA because we are a good source of income for the travel industry around the world.
no one is going to impose any restrictions on the USA because we are a good source of income for the travel industry around the world.
Typical......! Why not? So only American needs to protect themselves from the threat and Europe should be open door for threats from US and other countries with out any registation schemes?No it does not have to be a two way street.
Again typical of Uncle SAM who always believe and expect others to believe in what they believe is right.you don't understand what the truth is with your faulty reasoning.
Well, US citizens (along with all non-EU non-Swiss citizens) required visas to visit France from about 1986 to about 1991 or so (I don't remember the exact dates, but it was that period — in the pre-Schengen days, of course).republique wrote: Maybe but I doubt it. France tried to do it at one point and it became too much admin for them that they gave up
Yeah I already referenced the France situationChristophe wrote:Well, US citizens (along with all non-EU non-Swiss citizens) required visas to visit France from about 1986 to about 1991 or so (I don't remember the exact dates, but it was that period — in the pre-Schengen days, of course).republique wrote: Maybe but I doubt it. France tried to do it at one point and it became too much admin for them that they gave up
I'm not saying that it will happen, I'm am merely saying that it could, and the US scheme, and the Australian ETA (now well established), might be early examples of the way that these things go in other jurisdictions as well.
The dollar being weak has nothing to do with income from tourism from America, It may be more expensive for us but in any case we still provide great income for the tourism industry all over the world. So that basis is not a winner.eliasuk4u wrote:no one is going to impose any restrictions on the USA because we are a good source of income for the travel industry around the world.
Not anymore.. Dollar is going down for good few months against Euro. Wake up my friend! and soon EU will follow US on the same registration restrictions. For eg. fingerscans introduced by US is now followed by Britain and almost all EU countries, Japan etc. So be ready.
Typical......! Why not? So only American needs to protect themselves from the threat and Europe should be open door for threats from US and other countries with out any registation schemes?No it does not have to be a two way street.
Again typical of Uncle SAM who always believe and expect others to believe in what they believe is right.you don't understand what the truth is with your faulty reasoning.
For your information 9/11 got nothing to do with Europe or non visa nationals. I understand if the restrictions are imposed on the nationals of the countries responsible for such attacks but Europeans???? Come on... get a life. Again Europe had similar small scale attacks so why can't we embrace ourselves by imposing similar restructions on non visa nationals such as Americans??? Sorry mate that doesn't justify the registration scheme.we had the incident of 9/11 so unless everyone else had planes crashing into their financial center's building, then it is not a two street.
We don't know that yet..Europe can do whatever it wants, whether it wants other people to register or not . And again as I said to you before Americans wouldn't care
Would you be happy for a third country to hold your details for 15YEARS???The only person it seem to bother is you. And it is not our problem that it bothers you.