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Before I answer your questions can you please clarify if your non-EU spouse was on a valid visa at the time of marriage and Stamp 4 application? Was any part of his stay in Ireland without a visa or permission?Thehungrysoldier wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:48 pmHi all,
My husband is a visa-required national on a student visa (Stamp 2). We got married in October 2018 after a 5 year long distance relationship, and presented to GNIB in November for his Stamp 4, and the man said we had to write to the department and refused it. I emailed the SOIN department, who said we had to send in the application for Spouse of An Irish National due to long distance . That seems fine as I meet all the requirements as an employed Irish citizen.
My questions are:
1. When do we receive back our original documents the first time around? My brother is getting married in June abroad and we need to travel for this so will we get our passports back by then?
2. Does the temporary stamp 4 get issued along with the return of the original documents?
3. What documents would you recommend to be included that may not be on the list online?
4. How long does the overall application take? If it doesn’t come before September, is he still allowed to get a Stanp 1G to start working?
Thanks a lot in advance!
I even asked if it would be any different if we went back this year after time has passed of us living together, and they said since we were refused at GNIB, we would be refused again if we returned without the stamp 4 letter for SOIN. If you could answer any of the questions, or even provide an alternative, that would be great because there seems to be a lack of information about the SOIN application.max307 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:19 pmBefore I answer your questions can you please clarify if your non-EU spouse was on a valid visa at the time of marriage and Stamp 4 application? Was any part of his stay in Ireland without a visa or permission?Thehungrysoldier wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:48 pmHi all,
My husband is a visa-required national on a student visa (Stamp 2). We got married in October 2018 after a 5 year long distance relationship, and presented to GNIB in November for his Stamp 4, and the man said we had to write to the department and refused it. I emailed the SOIN department, who said we had to send in the application for Spouse of An Irish National due to long distance . That seems fine as I meet all the requirements as an employed Irish citizen.
My questions are:
1. When do we receive back our original documents the first time around? My brother is getting married in June abroad and we need to travel for this so will we get our passports back by then?
2. Does the temporary stamp 4 get issued along with the return of the original documents?
3. What documents would you recommend to be included that may not be on the list online?
4. How long does the overall application take? If it doesn’t come before September, is he still allowed to get a Stanp 1G to start working?
Thanks a lot in advance!
I'm only asking because usually if the non-EU spouse was on a valid visa or permission other than short stay visas (C) the Stamp 4 is granted on the spot there and then, no need to send paper application to INIS.
See link below, section 1. How do I apply? scenario A.:
http://inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP07000024
Thanks so much for answering all my questions! He does have his passport, we are still waiting to send in the application as he is travelling soon and only returns at the end of this month. Yes, I also thought it was weird that they didn't want to give him the Stamp 4. When I asked for it, his immediate response was "No, you came in on a Stamp 2, if you want to change your visa status, you need to write in to the DOJ." And that was it, he wrote up some notes on his computer and sent us home, even though I told him it was written online that if he is legally in the country, he can change his Stamp then and there. He also interrogated us about our marriage and relationship, and then told us we "wasted an appointment" and that they are "impossible to get" and we shouldn't have gone in and should have written in first.max307 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:41 pmThat sounds very strange! The Stamp 4 should've been issued when you met the immigration officer, I guess you are right - you were the unlucky ones that day.
I would challenge their decision, if you go to their offices in Dublin and request to meet with a manager at counter 15 (sometimes counter 14) the issue might be resolved there and then, but anyway he doesn't have his passport now? They are violating your rights and the rights of your spouse, the "long distance relationship" thing is made up, that doesn't come into play once you are legally married. I never heard a case like this before!
Regarding your questions:
1. When do we receive back our original documents the first time around? My brother is getting married in June abroad and we need to travel for this so will we get our passports back by then?
Usually after a few weeks (8 weeks maybe) so you should be good for the trip in June.
2. Does the temporary stamp 4 get issued along with the return of the original documents?
Usually that's the case, he will be able to to enter employment and travel on that temporary Stamp 4. One more thing, because he's a visa required national I would strongly recommend to apply for a re-entry visa to Ireland once you receive the passport back and the temporary Stamp 4 is issued.
3. What documents would you recommend to be included that may not be on the list online?
Everything and anything - utility bills, pictures, flight tickets, hotel bookings, cinema tickets, WhatsApp conversations, etc.
4. How long does the overall application take? If it doesn’t come before September, is he still allowed to get a Stanp 1G to start working?
He will be able to work on the temporary Stamp 4 so no need to apply for anything else, if the application hasn't been completed by the time the temporary stamp expires INIS will renew it again.
So strange - maybe we just met him in a bad mood!max307 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:29 pmWell either that immigration officer is hugely misinformed or he had a personal issue with you guys! It's written on their website that except short stay C visas if the non-EU national is legal in the country they have to issue the Stamp 4 on the spot.
I would go there again with the print out of the link I provided before and request to see a manager, make a formal complaint because this immigration officer wasted your appointment and your time.
Unless something internally changed recently and the website hasn't been updated he's obviously wrong at the very least!
Good Luck!Thehungrysoldier wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:44 pmSo strange - maybe we just met him in a bad mood!max307 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:29 pmWell either that immigration officer is hugely misinformed or he had a personal issue with you guys! It's written on their website that except short stay C visas if the non-EU national is legal in the country they have to issue the Stamp 4 on the spot.
I would go there again with the print out of the link I provided before and request to see a manager, make a formal complaint because this immigration officer wasted your appointment and your time.
Unless something internally changed recently and the website hasn't been updated he's obviously wrong at the very least!
Thanks very much for all your advice, I think we will head down there and see what they say, hopefully we won't have to go through the whole process! Have a lovely day
We are going to GNIB tonight - only thing is we don't have an appointment.
That's awesome - congrats, and I'm really glad it worked out so well for you. We're gonna head in around 9 tomorrow and hoping for the same. Just one last question, did you go to the front reception or did you go to the very first counter to get your queries ticket?Areeae94 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:43 pmSo - I got my residency updated to a stamp 4. I took a ticket from reception for the queries desk and waited approximately an hour and a half for my number to be called. Explained my situation, was escalated to a manager. They gave me an appointment on the spot, went back to the same cranky old lady who denied me the first time. She barely spoke to me, but took my info and told me to take a seat. Waited an hour and a half for my passport and documents to be returned, got my stamp, and was told my new IRP would be in the mail in 5-10 working days. Hope it goes well for you!
Congrats @Areeae94! I'm glad you were able to get your Stamp 4 on the spot, it looks like we were right after all.Areeae94 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:43 pmSo - I got my residency updated to a stamp 4. I took a ticket from reception for the queries desk and waited approximately an hour and a half for my number to be called. Explained my situation, was escalated to a manager. They gave me an appointment on the spot, went back to the same cranky old lady who denied me the first time. She barely spoke to me, but took my info and told me to take a seat. Waited an hour and a half for my passport and documents to be returned, got my stamp, and was told my new IRP would be in the mail in 5-10 working days. Hope it goes well for you!
Stopat reception first and ask them for a ticket for the queries desk The query desk is counter 23. Good luck! Keep us updatedThehungrysoldier wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:48 pmThat's awesome - congrats, and I'm really glad it worked out so well for you. We're gonna head in around 9 tomorrow and hoping for the same. Just one last question, did you go to the front reception or did you go to the very first counter to get your queries ticket?Areeae94 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:43 pmSo - I got my residency updated to a stamp 4. I took a ticket from reception for the queries desk and waited approximately an hour and a half for my number to be called. Explained my situation, was escalated to a manager. They gave me an appointment on the spot, went back to the same cranky old lady who denied me the first time. She barely spoke to me, but took my info and told me to take a seat. Waited an hour and a half for my passport and documents to be returned, got my stamp, and was told my new IRP would be in the mail in 5-10 working days. Hope it goes well for you!
He questioned your marriage to your face, that's some cheek!Thehungrysoldier wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:59 amHi guys, just to update, we went to GNIB this morning. Met the guy at query counter, who said that the person had written some notes who had originally rejected us, and said that since my husband came in on a stamp 2, and then we got married, it looks like he intentionally deceived the immigration process and used the stamp 2 to get married instead of applying for defacto relationship or some other visa. Therefore, they said they can't give us the stamp 4 there, and we will have to apply through SOIN unit. I still don't understand it, but I guess we will have to take the long route.
They also said that we might not have to send original documents in and just send in copies of passport, marriage cert etc, but I don't know how true that is? Hopefully the process isn't too long.
Thanks for all your help anyway guys!
Hi, thanks for the response! Is your spouse legally in the country? I don't mind about temp Stamp 4 because my husband will get a 2 year graduate visa after his Masters'. It is annoying how long it'll take.Waitingonstamp4 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:51 pm@Thehungrysoldier
I am in a similar situation waiting for my spouse of an Irish national application to be processed.
I’ve had my application submitted since the end of June 2018 and I’ve still not heard anything back other than a letter with my reference number and original documentation.
Three important things for you to note:
1. The processing time for applications is over 12 months now.
2. You will not be granted a temporary stamp 4.
3. Be careful about leaving the country mid application. It is at the discretion of the immigration officer to let you back in to the country.
That's annoying - what reason did they give for his rejection, if I may ask?Waitingonstamp4 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:04 pmHiya. Yes he was here legally - in fact he is from the US so he doesn’t even need a visa.
I’d also be cautious about your spouse getting a two year stamp 2. Whenever my husband’s stamp was up in October and we went back to GNIB they refused to renew it because of our pending SOIN application.
I think it was about 4-5 weeks after we mailed the application that we got our letter and original documentation back.
If you do end up getting anything different in your letter regarding Stamps could you please let me know?