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I think there are two more parts that are a bit 'unclear':86ti wrote:Look at the Dutch's embassy web page.
EDIT:
The "best" part at the bottom:
*Please note that EU nationals who have always lived in the country of their nationality are not exercising EU treaty rights and are therefore not considered Union citizens. Their family members therefore do not come under the provisions of Directive 2004/38/EC.
Aha, e.g. a German married to a non EEA national is neither a Union citizen nor can they cross the border to The Netherlands without first obtaining a visa?
(I wanted to say of course: a German who lived all his/her life in Germany ...)giruzz wrote:I think there are two more parts that are a bit 'unclear':86ti wrote:Look at the Dutch's embassy web page.
EDIT:
The "best" part at the bottom:
*Please note that EU nationals who have always lived in the country of their nationality are not exercising EU treaty rights and are therefore not considered Union citizens. Their family members therefore do not come under the provisions of Directive 2004/38/EC.
Aha, e.g. a German married to a non EEA national is neither a Union citizen nor can they cross the border to The Netherlands without first obtaining a visa?
accompanied by the EEA national or joining the EEA national (not a Dutch national*) who is moving to or residing in the Netherlands: no visa required. Please note that the residence permit must be endorsed in a valid passport or travel document and that you may be requested by the immigration authorities to provide documentary proof of the relationship (e.g. original birth, marriage or civil partnership certificate) and of the use of the right of free movement of the EEA national (e.g. a registration certificate).
1 - The Home Office is kind of Discouraging people from getting registered with them and therefore many many EU residents don't have a residency card but it might be requested to enter the Netherlands as a proof of the right of free movement....
2- I'm living with my un-married partner. Do I need to bring with me 2kg of papers to prove that we have been together for 2 years? Obtaining an EEA residency card for her is not enough?
giruz
I wanted to say of course a German who lived all his/her life in Germany and married to...86ti wrote:Look at the Dutch's embassy web page.
EDIT:
The "best" part at the bottom:
*Please note that EU nationals who have always lived in the country of their nationality are not exercising EU treaty rights and are therefore not considered Union citizens. Their family members therefore do not come under the provisions of Directive 2004/38/EC.
Aha, e.g. a German married to a non EEA national is neither a Union citizen nor can they cross the border to The Netherlands without first obtaining a visa?
i find it highly hypocrticial that the dutch would have an issue of residence cards not issued in a passport, their residence permits are not placed in passports either. you get a sticker upon your appication and if approved you get a seperate residence card so why they are making a stink about it being in your passport is beyond megiruzz wrote:I just received this answer from the Duch Ministry for Foreign Affairs.
The email I sent them was before the Dutch Embassy updated the webpage on their website.
Dear Mr XXXXXXXXX,
With apologies for the delay in answering, I can provide you with the following information.
In your email, you refer to Directive 2004/38. According to this directive, any family member accompanying or joining an EU/EEA citizen to another Member State than that of which the EU citizen holds his nationality, can either travel without a visa or with a visa issued free of charge. This depends on the type of residence card held by the family member. If the family member has a residence permit with the text 'Residence Card of a Family Member of an EEA national', it is possible to travel without a visa. If the family member holds a different type of residence card, he will need to show proof of his identity and his relationship with the EU citizen and will then be eligible for a visa issued free of charge.
If your partner thus has a 'Residence Card of a Family Member of an EEA national', she can travel without a visa if she travels together with you or joins you.
If your partner has a different residence card, she can be eligible for a visa issued free of charge. In that case, she will have to show proof of identity, proof of the durable relationship and hand in a visa application form (on which is indicated which questions will need to be answered).
As I understood, your partner's residence permit is, unfortunately, not endorsed in her passport. The Border Control has informed me that this should, however, not prove problematic at the border as long as it is a correct permit.
Finally, I would advise you and your partner to carry not only passports and residence permits with you on your travel, but also proof of your relationship as Border Control may ask for this when you enter the Netherlands.
WoW!
Look. Last year I booked some tickets to Paris and to Holland..that would have been my first EU trip with my gf.Pasha wrote:
To add insult to injury, to get the Residence card tranferred to your passport can take up to 6 months by the Home Office who as far as they are concerned 'have done their job' by issuing the residence card on a separate sheet of paper.... Very fustrating...
As far as I know many EU countries issue residence permits in form of a card and it is actually the UK who is doing things differently. But if I'm wrong correct me.republique wrote:[i find it highly hypocrticial that the dutch would have an issue of residence cards not issued in a passport, their residence permits are not placed in passports either. you get a sticker upon your appication and if approved you get a seperate residence card so why they are making a stink about it being in your passport is beyond me
Beucause France requires a schengen Visa. If there is a police check and the French found that she doesn't have a valid visa she might be detained and deported (to Thailand)....mym wrote:If you get to Amsterdam you are in Schengen, there are no checks between Schengen states, so how will anyone even know you went to Paris?giruzz wrote:therefore if we leave on Thursday we will be unable to go from Amsterdam to Paris
I think it would be stupid for you to pay the 300 pounds. If you have lost money because they did not issue the visa properly (or given you the right information), then you should invoice the embassy for the amount. If they do not pay immediately, you should have a Dutch lawyer contact them (there are some apparently very knowledgeable ones who are on this board).giruzz wrote:Look. Last year I booked some tickets to Paris and to Holland..that would have been my first EU trip with my gf.
We are supposed to leave next Thursday but, as first sign of luck the Dutch visa was refused because the residency card was not endorsed in the passport.
So we sent back the passports to the home office, we were told 10days ago that the passport (with endorsed residency card) were on the way back...and still haven't received anything (as a matter of fact as today we found out that they haven't been posted).
In the meantime the Dutch changed the rules and so no visa.
Nevertheless, their embassy website states that the residency card MUST be endorsed in the passport.
At the same time the French refused to issue the visa because the residency card wasn't endorsed and therefore if we leave on Thursday we will be unable to go from Amsterdam to Paris (which means we already lost the tickets)..because they don't recognize the Brit Res Card.
If the passport arrives before Thursday we might be able to fly to Amsterdam at least....very very very poor organization from the Home Office and very poor management and co-ordination from the EU Embassies in London.
Just a nice way to blow 300pounds....
Nope. She will not be detained and deported if you are married and travelling together and have your marriage certificate to prove it.giruzz wrote:Beucause France requires a schengen Visa. If there is a police check and the French found that she doesn't have a valid visa she might be detained and deported (to Thailand)....
What exactly did you say to them? What exactly did they say in response? It is hard to imagine.giruzz wrote:The embassy told us that she will be illegal if she enters France.
Just two points:Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Nope. She will not be detained and deported if you are married and travelling together and have your marriage certificate to prove it.giruzz wrote:Beucause France requires a schengen Visa. If there is a police check and the French found that she doesn't have a valid visa she might be detained and deported (to Thailand)....
Remember that the schengen visa is for ENTRY to the country. Once there with you, she is RESIDENT in the country, and if either of you stay for more than 90 days there may be formalities you must complete.
What exactly did you say to them? What exactly did they say in response? It is hard to imagine.giruzz wrote:The embassy told us that she will be illegal if she enters France.