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Juxtaposed border controls wrote:These ‘juxtaposed controls’ are in place at Calais and Dunkirk ports, at the Eurotunnel terminal at Coquelles and in Paris Gare du Nord, Lille, Calais-Frethun and Brussels Midi stations for Eurostar passengers.
I know that they gonna pay, I`m not even thinking about that.
I meant I know that they pay penalties if they board someone with out proper documentation, but I have presented enough evidence that I`m legal resident in UK just without Residence card, as it is not mandatory as UK gov said. So for them to insist that I show Residence card as only proof that I`m resident in UK is not possible and against the law.
Applying for a Family Permit to gain re-entry to the UK.
I was with my wife in Paris, and with tones of documentation ( marriage certificate, my Certificate of Application, email from Home Office that we had interview with them next day, Council Tax bills, Gas bills with bout names on it, my P45,... ) and still that wasn`t enough. They still wanted "some" paper from Home Office or UK embassy.Frontier Mole wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:36 amThe fastest and easiest method of return is to bring your wife back to Paris, with evidence of marriage and return together.
I see some similarities but also crucial differences between our two cases.kamoe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:44 amApplying for a Family Permit to gain re-entry to the UK.
This is the recommended procedure by the HO, for example, whenever an (Extended) Family member requests their documents back, e.g. passport, to travel abroad, while their application for RC is in progress. In your circumstances, having been denied boarding, and given you have all the evidence with you, this is the reasonable step to take. It will be free, it will be fast.
You need to supply your and your wife passport or national identity card. In special cases they accept a certified copy if this is not possible.
All info to apply here: https://www.gov.uk/family-permit
See old post when I realized this was the solution to my problem (I was also locked out of the UK), and its successful conclusion, here: eea-route-applications/travelling-abroa ... l#p1303118
Unfortunately I`m not in Paris anymore, back to my home town.secret.simon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:09 amAnd if you are in Paris, take the Eurostar. That way, you can deal directly with the Border Force, rather than airline staff.
Airlines need either a Family Permit or a Residence Card or some form of documentation. If you lose your Residence Card, the appropriate procedure is to apply for a Family Permit and then reapply for a Residence Card when back in the UK. Pointing somebody whose job is to check standard documentation to understand intricate EU law is unlikely to work.
You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. Our cases don't need to be exact to be useful. There are differences, but they are not crucial. Bottom line is, I was locked out of the country, with the right to live in the country, and no document to prove this to airlines.
No. And it actually does not matter which visa I had when I first entered or which one I had when I left before found myself locked out. What matters is that at the point I wanted to travel back, I had a pending RC application process at the HO and I had no other valid visa.If I understood correctly, you entered UK with working Tier 2 visa.
I met my partner in the UK while on a Tier 1 visa, so I never really had to apply for a Family Permit (which is issued to allow family members to enter the UK in the first place). I never thought it would be relevant to me before I got locked out.Was this the first time that you applied for Family Permit when you were back in Columbia ?
Yeap. EU and UK family members get priority over all other applications. At least in ColOmbia (With a very round O, not Columbia, please stop spelling it like that, it's annoying).And did you say you receive it 3 days after you submitted your interview ?
Not an issue.I got my Family Permit back in Oct. 2017. witch I used few weeks later to join my wife for the first time in UK.
Bunch of -pardon my French- morons.Like I said in other post, no one from Home Office could tell me if I would be able to apply for Family Permit again as I`m currently in process of Application for Residence Card.
The application is free, and it has been proven NOT NO INTERFERE with the pending RC application. You have nothing to lose.If I have gotten a straight answer - yes, you can apply again - I would already be back with my family in UK, not running across half of Europe spending 1000€ trying to find some air company to board me
I'm so sorry, but, bunch of [intellectually challenged synonym], they should know this!!!Amoniman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:06 pmNo one from Home Office could tell me if I could reapply for Family permit because I`m already UK resident and currently in process of application for Residence card ( all of my documents are at Home Office, my wife's passport as well). I asked if I apply for FP would it be granted in less then 15 working days since I`m already resident and in process of Application, they couldn`t tell.
Like I said, they even told me to apply for tourist visa.
I already lost 4 weeks playing deaf phones with Home Office as no one can give me a straight answer.
I don't get it. How were you able to go to your home country, then?
That is EXACTLY what a Family Permit is.
I asked my passport back, because I knew I might need i for family emergency.
I asked my passport back, because I knew I might need i for family emergency.
I just spent 60 minutes typing those crucial differences and forum log me out and everything was lost That`s what you get when you try t be smart I`ll retype it in the morning.kamoe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:44 pmYou are looking at this from the wrong perspective. Our cases don't need to be exact to be useful. There are differences, but they are not crucial. Bottom line is, I was locked out of the country, with the right to live in the country, and no document to prove this to airlines.No. And it actually does not matter which visa I had when I first entered or which one I had when I left before found myself locked out. What matters is that at the point I wanted to travel back, I had a pending RC application process at the HO and I had no other valid visa.If I understood correctly, you entered UK with working Tier 2 visa.
Just for the sake of info, I had a stream of different visas, Tier 4, Tier 1, Tier 2. This last one was due to expire by the time I wanted to travel and I could not use it.I met my partner in the UK while on a Tier 1 visa, so I never really had to apply for a Family Permit (which is issued to allow family members to enter the UK in the first place). I never thought it would be relevant to me before I got locked out.Was this the first time that you applied for Family Permit when you were back in Columbia ?
So to answer your question, yes, this was the first time I had to apply for a Family Permit. But it does not matter if it is your first, second, or third time. The concept of Family Permit is there PRECISELY to let Family Members get into the UK (be it the first, second third, or fourth time, whatever the reason they can't demonstrate their family status otherwise).
Yeap. EU and UK family members get priority over all other applications. At least in ColOmbia (With a very round O, not Columbia, please stop spelling it like that, it's annoying).And did you say you receive it 3 days after you submitted your interview ?Not an issue.I got my Family Permit back in Oct. 2017. witch I used few weeks later to join my wife for the first time in UK.Bunch of -pardon my French- morons.Like I said in other post, no one from Home Office could tell me if I would be able to apply for Family Permit again as I`m currently in process of Application for Residence Card.
As I said, The HO ITSELF RECOMMENDS applying for a family permit whenever an EU family members find themselves in this exact same situation, of having to travel abroad while their RC is pending. If you request your documents back (usually done because the applicant has to travel abroad), you will receive a letter saying exactly that: to please apply for a family permit to be able to get back into the UK.The application is free, and it has been proven NOT NO INTERFERE with the pending RC application. You have nothing to lose.If I have gotten a straight answer - yes, you can apply again - I would already be back with my family in UK, not running across half of Europe spending 1000€ trying to find some air company to board me
However, at this point, it might as well be faster to just wait for your RC to be issued (when did you apply? Last timelines indicate just over a month's waiting time on average) and having your wife send it through DHL, FedEx, etc. to your home country, or having her bring it to you in person.
You have been resident for 6 years in UK under EU Regulation or ?kamoe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:51 pmI'm so sorry, but, bunch of [intellectually challenged synonym], they should know this!!!Amoniman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:06 pmNo one from Home Office could tell me if I could reapply for Family permit because I`m already UK resident and currently in process of application for Residence card ( all of my documents are at Home Office, my wife's passport as well). I asked if I apply for FP would it be granted in less then 15 working days since I`m already resident and in process of Application, they couldn`t tell.
Like I said, they even told me to apply for tourist visa.
I already lost 4 weeks playing deaf phones with Home Office as no one can give me a straight answer.
The STRAIGHT OBVIOUS answer is a FAMILY PERMIT!!! How do they not know this??? Being already a resident has absolutely no impact on your eligibility to apply for a FP.
I'm talking from personal experience, had been a resident for over 6 years, with pending RC, and got granted FP with no problem, following own HO advise.
Did you keep, by any chance, the letter they sent you with your passport? It should say something along the lines of: "Here is your passport, to enable you to travel. Please apply for a Family Permit to regain entry into the UK".
6 years under the points system, not EU regulations, so as I said before, that was my first FP.Amoniman wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:35 amYou have been resident for 6 years in UK under EU Regulation or ?kamoe wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:51 pmI'm so sorry, but, bunch of [intellectually challenged synonym], they should know this!!!Amoniman wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:06 pmNo one from Home Office could tell me if I could reapply for Family permit because I`m already UK resident and currently in process of application for Residence card ( all of my documents are at Home Office, my wife's passport as well). I asked if I apply for FP would it be granted in less then 15 working days since I`m already resident and in process of Application, they couldn`t tell.
Like I said, they even told me to apply for tourist visa.
I already lost 4 weeks playing deaf phones with Home Office as no one can give me a straight answer.
The STRAIGHT OBVIOUS answer is a FAMILY PERMIT!!! How do they not know this??? Being already a resident has absolutely no impact on your eligibility to apply for a FP.
I'm talking from personal experience, had been a resident for over 6 years, with pending RC, and got granted FP with no problem, following own HO advise.
Did you have FP before or was this your first one ?
Yes, I got that letter with me and there is no word about applying for Family Permit if I want to re enter UK while in process of application for RCkamoe wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:57 amDid you keep, by any chance, the letter they sent you with your passport? It should say something along the lines of: "Here is your passport, to enable you to travel. Please apply for a Family Permit to regain entry into the UK".
I believe there are a number of posts in this forum (including mine I shared) that mention the wording of that letter in more or less detail.