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Results from the visitors consultation published

Post by RobinLondon » Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:39 am

It seems as if the Government has dropped plans to introduce a cash bond for visitors:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7472835.stm

And that the maximum stay time for a visitor remains at six months (it hasn't been lowered to three).

But you can find the full results of the consultation here:

http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/siteco ... tionpaper/
Firm but fair new rules for short-term visitors to the UK
25 June 2008


Tough new sanctions will be imposed on people who fail to ensure family members visiting from abroad play by the rules, the Government announced today.

People will have to become licensed to sponsor family members to visit from abroad under proposed changes to the visa system. Sponsors will have a duty to ensure that their visitors leave before their visa runs out. If sponsors fail in their duties, they face a ban on bringing anyone else over, penalties of up to £5,000 or a jail sentence.

The new sponsored family visa is just one of the firm but fair changes being made to the short-term visa system which will sit alongside the Government's new Points Based System introduced earlier this year. Further proposals announced today include:


introducing two new business visas for sportspeople and entertainers;
setting the maximum leave for visitors at six months;
introducing an appeal system for those coming in under the family route;
a new short-term, low-cost group travel visa to promote British tourism; and
a visa for people coming to the UK for one-off cultural events such as the Edinburgh Festival.

Border and Immigration Minister Liam Byrne said:


"Now we are introducing an Australian-style points system for selective migration, it makes sense to tighten visit visas at the same time.

"The changes I am announcing today will help create a fairer Britain with fair treatment for those who play by the rules, but tough action against those who break the law.

"We want the UK to stay open and attractive for both business and visitors. But at the same time we are determined to deliver a system of border security which is among the most secure in the world."


Also today, the Home Office announced plans for two new visitor routes for sportspeople and entertainers, recognising the important contribution these individuals make to British cultural life. Under these new routes the following sportspeople and entertainers will now be able to enter the UK for up to six months:


sportspeople and support staff coming for specific events;
amateur sportspeople joining UK amateur teams;
professional entertainers coming to the UK to take part in music competitions;
amateur entertainers travelling to the UK for a specific engagement;
professional entertainers coming to take part in a charity show or where they will receive no fee; and
professional and amateur entertainers taking part in a 'permit-free festival'.

Welcoming today's announcement, Minister for Sport Gerry Sutcliffe said:

"If we are going to make the UK the world's best cultural and sporting nation by 2012 then we need to make sure that talented sportspeople and entertainers from all over the world come here to take part in the many sporting events, festivals, and shows we have on offer. Their presence makes our country a richer, more inspiring place to live and encourages more tourists to visit. We want next year to be a golden decade of sport, so it's good news that sportsmen and women competing in events here will keep the concessions that they previously enjoyed."

The tourism industry already brings £85 billion into the UK each year. To encourage even more tourists a new shorter three-month group visa is being proposed at a possible reduced cost of £44. Today the Home Office also set out its intention to keep the maximum leave for tourists at six months and to introduce a visa that would allow people to come to the UK for big one-off sporting or cultural events.

All of the changes outlined in today's document follow a consultation, which ran from December 2007 to March this year. In total 604 responses were received, the majority of which came from individual members of the public. Uniquely, this consultation process included engagement with foreign communities abroad, as well as UK communities at home.

Liam Byrne said:


"We know that many people have a stake in us getting this policy right. So we didn't just run an old fashioned consultation. I travelled around the UK listening to people, and led my own delegation of community leaders and businessmen to India to review first hand some of the issues in one of our most important overseas markets."


All of the changes proposed by the document published today will sit alongside the Points Based System, which replaced around eighty different work permit routes with just five tiers. Those travelling into the UK are locked into one identity through the introduction of fingerprinting for all visa applicants, a new hi-tech system for counting people in and out of the country, and the rollout of ID cards for all foreign nationals.

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Post by Mr Rusty » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:04 pm

Interesting to note that only British Citizens and those with Indefinite Leave will be able to sponsor family visits. So presumably if you are HSMP or WP holder your mum and dad can only visit you if they qualify as visitors in their own right, and will have no right of appeal against refusal.

And they seem to imply that if you apply to be "licensed" as a family visit sponsor, you'll have to buy a wretched id card at the same time.

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Post by starman » Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:27 pm

oh no, it's not optional you must have ID card whether you want your family to visit or not, cos people with ID cards don't do bad things.

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Post by Jeff Albright » Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:45 pm

They have just copied the relevant Australian migration rule.

The only thing they are yet to introduce is the cash deposit, which the sponsor may have to pay in certain circumstances if there is a reason to suspect the foreigner will not depart at the end of their visa term. If this happens, the visitor is barred from visiting again, the sponsor loses the deposit and is barred from sponsoring visitors in the future.

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Post by mama » Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:44 am

After reading the consulation responses document, the whole proposal is just even more confusing! So as WP holders, one cannot have family visiting us in the UK under Family visitor visa?? If we as WP holders cannot be licensed sponsors, then they need to apply for a Tourist visa but that will be for visiting family??
It seems to me that the HO has just gone completely mad! They just dont know what they are trying to do.

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Post by Christophe » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:30 am

mama wrote:... the HO ... just dont know what they are trying to do.
I suspect that there lies the crux of many things!

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its insane!!!!!!

Post by anuje » Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:41 am

it means a person living legally, paying all taxes respecting all laws will NOT be able to see their loved one for 5 years, when they will be finally able to sponsor their loved ones. or keep visiting your family back in home country and jeopradise one's eligibility for ILR as one might be breaching 180 days current limit. any comments???

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Post by Jeff Albright » Mon Jun 30, 2008 12:51 am

Yep, this is how it works in Australia, as well. As a temporary resident you cannot sponsor your relative to come to Australia. However, they can apply in their own right, as visitors. I think it makes sense.

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