HSMP Refused

[martian786]

Dear All

I applied HSMP on 14 Feb 05 and HSMP Team processed my application on 18th Feb 2005. I received my original documents on 4th March 2005. Now I received Refusal letter from HSMP dated 18th Feb 2005.

HSMP awarded 0 points in all. While I calimed 75 points i.e. 25 points for my NARIC recognised MBA and 50 points for 5 years of Gruduate level accounting experience + 6 years of IT Audit in financial sector.

I have relevent professional qualifications recognised in UK.

I intend to file appeal but 28 days period has expired now.

Kindly advise me what should I do?

Martian

[Junior0300]

I applied for the HSMP incountry application and got rejected on the work experience letter. my previous letter was something like this

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This is to certify that mr xxx has been in our full time employment as Analyst / Developer, starting from xxx till xxx. He has been withdrawing a salary of Rs. ***** per month plus benefits.

The responsibilities he has been carrying out were to gather market information, analyze interpret and determine implications for business decisions and finally to develop business and financial solutions in line with the business needs. Some of the tools and technologies used were Visual Basic, Visual C++, SQL Server, UML etc. He possesses strong analytical and problem solving skills along with brilliant programming skills.

This role is normally offered to graduates having a minimum educational standard of a UK first degree level qualification or equivalent. The candidate does not necessarily have to hold a degree but the post normally requires one. In overall service he proved himself as a skillful, devoted and honest worker. His strong communication skills are also a quality. I wish him a very bright future.

Note: All of his work experience (more than 4 years) within the company should be considered as a full time professional work without any training period.

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HSMP team has refused my application stating

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With reference to paragraph 7.2.1 of the HSMP guidance notes, the evidence provided should demonstrate that the job roles undertaken would normally require a minimum educational standard of a UK first degree level qualification of equivalent. We were not satisfied that sufficient evidence was provided to demonstrate any graduate level experience as described in the published guidance notes of the HSMP arrangements. Consequently we were unable to award points for this category.
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Could anyone let me know whats going on with the HSMP team!!!

My case was refused earlier on the same reason, at that time it was written in my reference letter that i was doing a graduate level job. After getting refused i copied the exact text from their guidance notes but still they are not convinced.
All of my work experience is from my home country Pakistan, the letter is on the company s letter head and signed by the director.

Shall I go for the paid service like workpermit.com

[rella]

HSMP awarded 0 points in all. While I calimed 75 points i.e. 25 points for my NARIC recognised MBA and 50 points for 5 years of Gruduate level accounting experience + 6 years of IT Audit in financial sector.

Is this a typo, or did they really give you zero points? If you have a certificate from NARIC showing that your degrees are equivalent to a UK MBA, I don't see how they could award you no points for that. Did you enclose the NARIC certificate in your application package?

What did you provide for your employment experience? So, you have 11 years total of graduate level work experience?

If you feel that you provided adequate proof to document your claimed points and they gave you none, then I think you should contact your caseworker immediately and ask for an explanation as to why they made this decision. Then, you can determine what steps to take next.

[martian786]

This is not a typographical error.

HSMP awarded 0 for my education and 0 for my experience.

Yes, I gave NARIC certificate.

For experience certificate I provided 1- Employment certificate from HR Dept stating duration of job 2-Refernce from my boss stating assignments performed 3- Detailed job description covering 3 pages. All 3 docs for specialist experience. I provided experience letters from my previous jobs as well.

[Junior0300]

I applied for the HSMP incountry application and got rejected on the work experience letter. my previous letter was something like this

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This is to certify that mr xxx has been in our full time employment as Analyst / Developer, starting from xxx till xxx. He has been withdrawing a salary of Rs. ***** per month plus benefits.

The responsibilities he has been carrying out were to gather market information, analyze interpret and determine implications for business decisions and finally to develop business and financial solutions in line with the business needs. Some of the tools and technologies used were Visual Basic, Visual C++, SQL Server, UML etc. He possesses strong analytical and problem solving skills along with brilliant programming skills.

This role is normally offered to graduates having a minimum educational standard of a UK first degree level qualification or equivalent. The candidate does not necessarily have to hold a degree but the post normally requires one. In overall service he proved himself as a skillful, devoted and honest worker. His strong communication skills are also a quality. I wish him a very bright future.

Note: All of his work experience (more than 4 years) within the company should be considered as a full time professional work without any training period.

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HSMP team has refused my application stating

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With reference to paragraph 7.2.1 of the HSMP guidance notes, the evidence provided should demonstrate that the job roles undertaken would normally require a minimum educational standard of a UK first degree level qualification of equivalent. We were not satisfied that sufficient evidence was provided to demonstrate any graduate level experience as described in the published guidance notes of the HSMP arrangements. Consequently we were unable to award points for this category.
===================================

Could anyone let me know whats going on with the HSMP team!!!

My case was refused earlier on the same reason, at that time it was written in my reference letter that i was doing a graduate level job. After getting refused i copied the exact text from their guidance notes but still they are not convinced.
All of my work experience is from my home country Pakistan, the letter is on the company s letter head and signed by the director.

Shall I go for the paid service like workpermit.com

[sergio39]

I applied for the HSMP incountry...

Dear Junior0300!

Do You really think that pasting Your question so many times in different place on this forum will help You to have an aproval?
Have some respect for the other board members.
I suggest You not to waste Your time by waiting panacea from the board, just think yourself what to do (after reading concerning posts).

[Mobig]

Amazing..will you martian786 mention the whole wordings of the letter you recieved from HSMP team so we can findout more.......

[rella]

This is not a typographical error.

HSMP awarded 0 for my education and 0 for my experience.

Yes, I gave NARIC certificate.

For experience certificate I provided 1- Employment certificate from HR Dept stating duration of job 2-Refernce from my boss stating assignments performed 3- Detailed job description covering 3 pages. All 3 docs for specialist experience. I provided experience letters from my previous jobs as well.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your home country and what types of companies do you have your experience with? -- meaning large IT multinationals, small private companies, gov't, etc.

I'm truly stymied. If I were you, I'd want detailed clarification as to why they found your documents unacceptable. What exactly did the rejection letter say? Just the usual stuff that they copy and paste for experience and education requirements? Because from you've said, you have provided everything that is required in the guidance notes.

[lucky123]

I think there are now so many mistakes been made by the HSMP teams maybe because of the inexperience of the new staff. It could go either way so some members will benefit by the sped while others may not! however i think the problem is with the trainees now handling the various cases. Maybe you need to contact the team before any more submissions are made.

[lucky123]

I applied for the HSMP incountry...

Dear Junior0300!

Do You really think that pasting Your question so many times in different place on this forum will help You to have an aproval?
Have some respect for the other board members.
I suggest You not to waste Your time by waiting panacea from the board, just think yourself what to do (after reading concerning posts).

I think you are not being fair to Juniour0300 with this post! You have to understand that he is a bit desperate especially after getting a refusal so by answering him the way you did does not help him. Although i do not encourage posting the same stuff twice, i think you should have written a clear explanation than that.This forum i think is meant for positive discussions of issues but your reply was not the best in my opinion!

[emma_peele]

oh dear sorry to hear that.

i think you better have a detailed discussion with your case worker. ask him what kind of evidence he's looking for. your work experience letter looks alright to me but in my case, as an additional proof, i also submitted job advertisements and highlighted the required educational background. but my case is still pending so i'm not an authority in this.

i'm also in IT and my already-low hopes just dropped a few notches more when i read your post. you never can tell nowadays. sigh.

[lightbringer]

To Junior0300,

Well, I see 2 possibly weak areas in your case:

1. Your diploma may not be awared with any points. You didn't mention it

2. You stated in your reference letter, that the position normally requires a Graduate level experience (as per UK standards). But you are from Pakistan, right? So why should there be such requirements? I would say just that the position requires graduate degree and nothing more than that and leave the HO to valuate your diploma according to british standards.

Hope that helps.
With best wishes.
Alexey

[JhonnyECU]

dear all,

i am still trying to close my mouth after reading this shocking post...

professional equivalence might be a bit of an sketchy territory to walk on...

BUT what really scares me is the fact that your caseworker did NOT give you the points from you NARIC "statement of comparability" (which clearly states taht your overseas degree is OFFICIALLY recognised in the UK...

martian, could you please type exactly WHAT your case worker explained to you under the "education" section?
i agree with the others CALL your caseworker or email his/her name like this:

FirstName.LastName@ind.homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk

thanks and best luck

jhonny

[martian786]

I have file appeal for review.

I thoroughly checked my file and found following points:

1. In order to improve service timeline, caseworkers are ignoring vital facts in the case. For example, in my detailed job description, there was educational pre-requisites section mentioning master level educationand and professional qualifications.

I work at Central Bank performing regulatory audits of information systems of commercial banks.

2. I did my MBA(MIS) from public sector university recognised by NARIC but this 3 year MBA was closed by the university and relaunched as 2 years program of MBA(IT). Perhaps this was reason for not awarding points for education.

3. A friend of mine got 0 for his income. He calculated income in pounds on pro-rata basis ie on realization exchange rate but caseworker calculated on last exchange rate. Further for under 28 age required income for my country is GBP 5000 but caseworker required GBP 7500.

This gives you some insight on processing of cases.

I have filed for review and lets see what happens.

Martian

[emma_peele]

goodluck to you martian! there's a great chance your application will be approved this time. i think the items you've highlighted are big things they have overlooked.

[f2k]

I would submit a request for review straight away with a cover letter stating those points, it can very well be that the caseworker made a complete hash of your application and all it would take is someone having a looking at the application and granting you the deserved points, also if you can, you should trying calling the HSMP team and getting the caseworker to explain to you were you went wrong (don’t shout at them though), there are number of cases were guys have successfully lodged appeals some paid some free reviews also there is a case of a guy on the forum , Indian on wings, whose decision seems to have been reversed before the letter was sent out to him