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You should chill down a little. UK HO case workers are not fools as you are trying to make out to be. They probably are over cautious but if you think they should follow the rules and systems of 193 countries in the world, you are preposterous. Remember you are not the only Russian who has this problem and they would have known by now all about patronmic names. If you want a British passport, follow British rules and smoothen out your issues.dita7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:52 amI've been told today by Home Office that I have two identities because my Russian external passport does not translate my Patronymic name, whilst other EU passport has it present. This is absolute bonkers! How can people who been entrusted with dealing with applications for non-UK born British citizens don't have common knowledge of international laws and principles? This is so bizarre!
I do not think joeano353 your defence of HMPO case workers is sound enough - very strict guidelines and overload of cases, pushed up by revenue margins - that's the reality of Tory gov't, which introduced all these silly rules of aligning names and other bs. In fact, she might be indeed the 'only Russian' with this problem as I have not heard any, absolutely anyone in my life here over 15 years now, who mentioned anything about problems with their russian patronymic. Canadians know about it (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-re ... -gcms.html), Americans do, and I'm sure may other big Western powers. BUT suddenly, out of the blue, one tiny overworked case worker decides to flag it and make life miserable for no reason whatsoever! That's what one can call 'preposterous'. The HMPO definetely need to smoothen their issues...joeano353 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:05 pmYou should chill down a little. UK HO case workers are not fools as you are trying to make out to be. They probably are over cautious but if you think they should follow the rules and systems of 193 countries in the world, you are preposterous. Remember you are not the only Russian who has this problem and they would have known by now all about patronmic names. If you want a British passport, follow British rules and smoothen out your issues.dita7 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:52 amI've been told today by Home Office that I have two identities because my Russian external passport does not translate my Patronymic name, whilst other EU passport has it present. This is absolute bonkers! How can people who been entrusted with dealing with applications for non-UK born British citizens don't have common knowledge of international laws and principles? This is so bizarre!
Straight to the point joeano353, indeed, we don't have any rights here and HO operates under Royal Prerogative, so no need for democratically passed through Parliament rules®s, but of course we can bend to the arbitrary "rules" of the HMPO Policy Directorate - that's who supers have to go to in order to make any 'cautious' decisions (you'll see what I mean if you've read threads on british-citizenship/new-policy-regardin ... 16754.html)joeano353 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:25 pmI am not so much defending HO case workers but advocating bending to the rules inorder to smoothen out the issue. Refusal of an application is not the decision by just one case worker but the decision confirmed by at least a supervisor. Once I called to clarify an issue and I was kept on hold whilst he "consulted his supervisor". So things are not taken lightly. If the government has decided that certain procedure should be followed, employees are duty bound to follow them and will follow them. Why do people believe that they have a right to something because other countries like Canada and the US do something different? You are not applying for a Canadian or US passport.
It may be unintentional, but your comments could be perceived as disrespectful to the OP. Please post withjoeano353 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:20 pmPreciselly!!! British nationality is highly prized. They dont sell nationality like the Islands. Even if its an island. Name issue is trivial, but other countries too have rules that dont make sense. Being Canadian you believe that you are now the centre of the planet as its attracting the most immigrants. UK does not need to blindly follow the processes of other countries. Its not that we are treated like a nuisance but rules are made for a reason. I am not a sheep that follows but it has to be one rule for everybody not just for Crylic alphabet. People who use arabic have names that have to be phonetically translated and e, i, a can replace each other. They are refused if one document issued by their govt uses one in the brith certi, national id, passport. So why not the Crylic transliteration??
I am calm, just frustrated. HMPO are aware about patronymic names and they confirmed this fact on the phone, however they still use it as the reason for rejection and suggest a person has two nationalities ... this is simply .... decide for yourselfjoeano353 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:05 pmYou should chill down a little. UK HO case workers are not fools as you are trying to make out to be. They probably are over cautious but if you think they should follow the rules and systems of 193 countries in the world, you are preposterous. Remember you are not the only Russian who has this problem and they would have known by now all about patronmic names. If you want a British passport, follow British rules and smoothen out your issues.
The user you quoted has been banned from the forum for trolling, wholly incorrect advice and abuse of members.
Please only post if you have any constructive advice, rather than criticism.
Smartie pants R-grahite do you feel you are exempt from Casa's recommendation? You seem to only talk gibberish. I can tell you dont even know what patronymic means!! You should skip topics that go over your head.R-graphite wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:16 pmPrecisely
I am in no position to challenge a moderator, but allowing people to bash HO or HMPO case workers seems to be silly. People here talk a lot about paying a lot of money for bad service, a confused lot of people working as case workers etc. etc. People are doing their job and there has never been proven allegations of corruption. Yet its tolerable when people say they know the ways HO should be run!!! I believe that for you is constructive suggesting.
joeano353 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:12 amSmartie pants R-grahite do you feel you are exempt from Casa's recommendation? You seem to only talk gibberish. I can tell you dont even know what patronymic means!! You should skip topics that go over your head.R-graphite wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:16 pmPrecisely
It means you are overstepping your boundaries. You are not a moderator and you are just passing a comment that is not constructive. Just because you support the views of someone does not mean you should show how smart you are.R-graphite wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:20 amSmartie pants? What sort of language is that. Anyway I won’t digress out of respect to the OP...
joeano353 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:12 amSmartie pants R-grahite do you feel you are exempt from Casa's recommendation? You seem to only talk gibberish. I can tell you dont even know what patronymic means!! You should skip topics that go over your head.