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Since there is absolutely no information officially available, no one here would be able to give you a definite answer that can be considered 100% accurate.goodpartner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:53 amMy question is, if our residence EU card will be invalid after December 2020, new cards will be given automatically? or we need to apply for them?
Yeap.
Same here, and because it is likely not even in the planning, best to wait a bit before start inquiring seriously next year. I think a good call is, if there is no info by Spring 2020, start contacting MPs.I just wanted to find out how earlier in advance it is possible to apply for the card in that case. Though, it is not thought through i think.
For non-EU family members, they can't. They need to issue physical documents. Aso, if they wanted to make it online only they would not have already issued EUSS biometric cards to people who already did not have EEA biometric cards. The process and format are there, they just thought it was not necessary, for now, to issue a card to people who already have cards (which is understandable). But come Dec 2020 they'll roll it out to everyone non-EU. For EU people, yes, there seem to be no plans for a physical card.My guess they want to make it be online only system, don’t know how they handle airlines in that case.
RC is part of EU regulations, so if Brexit happens one day, this needs to be scrapped.Or they will leave RC in place.
People have been applying for RCs for years, and EUSS biometric cards since March, and although there have been problems, seems like most people are getting their documents issued. There is a learning curve whenever you put in place new processes; the more people apply, the more the system gets better. I think it is wise they have chosen a phased approach, both in implementing the EUSS in general and in issuing biometric cards, so they don't receive an avalanche of applications at once/don't have to process unnecessary cards at once. I don't think it would be crap.I can imagine if everybody applies what the crap it will be.
I don't think they *strictly* need to issue physical documents. Plenty of countries have electronic visa systems now that are essentially a database linking your passport number to your immigration status. And airlines are able to check these systems. For instance, the ESTA system in the US and lots of Australian visas work this way. That said, I don't think the UK has any such system yet, so more likely they will just keep issuing BRPs.kamoe wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:12 amFor non-EU family members, they can't. They need to issue physical documents. Aso, if they wanted to make it online only they would not have already issued EU Settlement Scheme biometric cards to people who already did not have EEA biometric cards. The process and format are there, they just thought it was not necessary, for now, to issue a card to people who already have cards (which is understandable). But come Dec 2020 they'll roll it out to everyone non-EU. For EU people, yes, there seem to be no plans for a physical card.
Hm, that's an interesting point. I was under the impression that once someone is granted pre-settled status, it's essentially five years limited leave to remain, and that wouldn't be cancelled even if circumstances change. I thought you would only need to provide evidence of the relationship again once you apply for settled status (or extend pre-settled status) after the five years. Getting a new card in 2020 I imagined would be a similar process to a lost BRP (not BRC!), as you still have the status, you just need a new document as proof of that status. BUT I may well be wrong on that.
With pre-settled status this is not 100% clear. With the old EEA residence card, if you got divorced / your relationship ended, your right to remain in the UK would end with it. With pre-settled status, it never explicitly addresses this; to me the wording used in some places would imply that you would still have the 5 year limited leave to remain, but again it is never stated explicitly. So it could be that upon renewing the card they check this again.goodpartner wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:12 amOn the website of eu settlement scheme, after I read I thought it will be online, or they just issue it for those who have pre-settled, settled status.
I don’t think they will check anything else, because a person has already a right to remain!
Thing is, it is not only airlines who would need to check this. Employers and landlords/letting agencies/mortgage lenders... As you say, there is no adequate system in place for that, so the likeliest scenario is they keep issuing cards.
Also good point, I was thinking more along the lines of a lost BRC. Again, as you say, who knows.Hm, that's an interesting point. I was under the impression that once someone is granted pre-settled status, it's essentially five years limited leave to remain, and that wouldn't be cancelled even if circumstances change. I thought you would only need to provide evidence of the relationship again once you apply for settled status (or extend pre-settled status) after the five years. Getting a new card in 2020 I imagined would be a similar process to a lost BRP (not BRC!), as you still have the status, you just need a new document as proof of that status. BUT I may well be wrong on that.
That part applies to EU citizens as well though post-Brexit, and an online system for that is already in place: https://view-and-prove-your-rights.home ... ment/start
The only reason I'm thinking BRP-like process is more likely is that the whole point of the settlement scheme is to re-create EEA rights in domestic law. So it would seem logical that the process will be that of all other domestic UK immigration matters. But, admittedly, that's pure speculation on my part. I really wish they did communicate this all more clearly.kamoe wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:18 amAlso good point, I was thinking more along the lines of a lost BRC. Again, as you say, who knows.
One thing though is that at least people would need to confirm their address. Can't see the HO simply doing the thing automatically and sending out new biometric cards to addresses without making first they are up-to date.
Huh, interesting. That of course contradicts what's written on the website, but it would make sense. Why print new BRPs when people already have their BRCs. Thanks for sharing!goodpartner wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:46 pmI called and asked EU resolution scheme about that, They told me all residence cards will be valid IF THEY ARE LINKED TO PRE-SETTLED STATUS(IF it was used when you were applying for PRE-SETTLED status) but those who did not apply for eu settlement scheme, their cards will be invalid.
My initial thoughts exactly, but then I re-red what's written on the website:.
The above does not contradict, as it's true that if no action is taken, RC will not be valid from Dec 2020 onward. It just doesn't clarify that if you apply for the EUSS this won't happen. Subtle difference. Still misleading, if what the Resolution Center told the OP is true.If you already have a residence card it will not be valid after 31 December 2020.
I agree with you. Settlement / Pre-settlement card are valid and not concerned by the 2020 limit.goodpartner wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:20 pmI think, those who holding resdidence cards and pre-settled status will not have to do anything after December 2020, I mean online status will be linked to residence cards. Those who did not apply under eu settlement scheme will have their residence cards invalid.