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Thanks for the reply. Yes, I remember your advise. But considering we were presenting a genuine case, we had not thought the application will be refused.CR001 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:12 amAs advised in 2017 when you asked, a failed/refused ADR settlement visa virtually shuts the door on any future visitor visas due to the previous intention to settle being made.
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Thanks for the reply. Got your point!Zerubbabel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:13 amHello
Once you go Adult Dependent Relative route, there is no visitor visa in the future. Actually this is one of the reasons to avoid this route because it has very high rate of refusal then it closes the door to any visitor visa application in the future.
2 years ago he was 68, separated and with serious health issues that necessitated your constant care and justified the application for the ADR.
Today, he is 70 but bounced back. His partner is back. His health is fine. He just want to come to the UK as visitor.
You see how the above lines sound. When someone reaches the ADR-type dependency, there is no come back. I have seen old people with degraded health and in need of 24/24 care for basic needs such as feeding, talking medication, clothing, going to the bathroom... and there is no come back from situations like these.
Due to the previous desperate attempts to settle in the UK, the Home Office would assume that this "visitor visa" is an attempt to enter the UK, overstay then make applications to stay. There have been many cases like that.
My father is 70 too. When he was 30, there was options for immigration. It was much easier than today. Many countries didn't have visas. In some places, it was possible to get a citizenship by marriage the same day... but he weighted everything and decided to stay. Now, at 70, it's not really time for immigration. He wouldn't think about it and I wouldn't encourage him.
thank yousecret.simon wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:07 amAlso, three months in the year every year will not be seen as visits, but attempts to reside in the UK in the guide of visits.
You best bets now are to meet your parent outside the UK, either in another EEA member state or in his country of habitual residence.
Thanks very much for your update - somehow it got missed earlier and I've just seen that today.Zerubbabel wrote: ↑Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:50 pmBy the way, this refusal on itself doesn't close other routes such as spouse visas, Tier 2 visas... etc.
It's just matter of practice that visitor visas are no longer delivered to failed applicants on any immigration route. But other visas are fine.
I know it might not be relevant for your father, but I still wanted to share that point with you. And thank you for receiving my previous post with grace.
Actually applying together is worse. The Home Office likes to see that the applicant for a visitor visa has strong ties (social and economic) to his country. If someone applies without his spouse/kids, usually the chances of the visa are higher than if the entire household is applying.My question now is that what if they both apply together and give evidence that they can look after each other and can get back because the care will be available?
Thanks very much Zerubbabel , Your reply is very insightful and I just could not even think of the points that you've mentioned.Zerubbabel wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:44 pmActually applying together is worse. The Home Office likes to see that the applicant for a visitor visa has strong ties (social and economic) to his country. If someone applies without his spouse/kids, usually the chances of the visa are higher than if the entire household is applying.My question now is that what if they both apply together and give evidence that they can look after each other and can get back because the care will be available?
In the case of your father, you may still apply for a visitor visa and the application will be "considered under its own merits" as the Home Office often claims.
However, I believe that no matter how you put your application, the refusal is a certainty.
Knowing the background, the Home Office would assume that once in the country, your father would claim that his health degraded again, he is too ill to travel, gets papers from doctors and start an application outside the rules or anything. So they will push back any visitor visa from him.
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Hi All,Zerubbabel wrote: ↑Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:44 pmHowever, I believe that no matter how you put your application, the refusal is a certainty.My question now is that what if they both apply together and give evidence that they can look after each other and can get back because the care will be available?
2 years is like "yesterday" when it comes to immigration history. I have seen refusals 8 or 9 years after the person tried to settled or breach immigration rules in the UK.* This is no more than 2 years since the ADR was refused
I think it's easier for you to fly there once or twice a year to see them, then change your life drastically in the hope to get them a "visitor" visa.Canada, Ireland, Germany or any other EU county - I believe I can migrate over there and then get them over there at least as a visitor for a month every year.