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So department is refusing applicants so they can come back with appeal/review?usmanch313 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:32 pmHi Grif
I applied my self Retention case was Granted then I applied my self EU3 and after year Refused now I hired Solister will see what he can do.
I don't think its make any difference if you applied your self or through Solister DOJ going Refused every second application without any solid Reason. They did in my case same thing.
Yes @griffith to me it looks like that.. solicitor and barristers they used our cases as test cases..griffith wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:49 pm@obie i think Applicants case refusals are equivalent to punishments. I wonder if the minister treats non-rep applicants different than the one who hire lawyers to apply on their behalf.
In my opinion initially the application form should be submitted by the applicants themselves and then if there are any issues(if any) than a lawyer should be hired to deal with the minister.
@finalversion.
Do you think your lawyer is using your case as a Test case ?
@finalversion_2k I am in very similar situation currently and extremely stressed if I should hire barrister to represent my case.finalversion_2k wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:42 amYes @griffith to me it looks like that.. solicitor and barristers they used our cases as test cases..griffith wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:49 pm@obie i think Applicants case refusals are equivalent to punishments. I wonder if the minister treats non-rep applicants different than the one who hire lawyers to apply on their behalf.
In my opinion initially the application form should be submitted by the applicants themselves and then if there are any issues(if any) than a lawyer should be hired to deal with the minister.
@finalversion.
Do you think your lawyer is using your case as a Test case ?
@Finepaddy its all about money. you pay solicitors thousands and then to barristers thousands.. if your application refuse then they show you another new path.. take my case as example retention refused, hire barrister on heavy fees.. they submit appeal.. now In case if appeal fail then solicitor/barrister will say let bring them to court.. again need to pay them court fee.. if that fail then they will say lets apply for work permit.. if that fails then they will say lets apply for section 3 humanitarian grounds and so on... point is for each application they charge..
I have total of 22 months of stamp 4. then case is in pendinggriffith wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:43 pmYou got three temporary stamps.arz1986 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:17 pmI never get any deportation letter or removal order, nor my case is in sham marriage. EU is in ireland and working for 4 years from day one till today. I do get temporary stamps, 3 temporary stamp 4. no EU4FM. still I get the letter my case in attach to chenchooliah case. Any thoughts. Or they put me in chenchooliah to sent to waste more time.griffith wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:07 amI dont understand any of your posts.
The judgement that you are referring to does not address sham marriage issue.
It only effects those individuals who were previously granted residence permissions but were issued with unlawful deportation orders under S3 where the EU citizen has permanently left the host member state.
Retention cases are precessed under an incorrect procedure nothing to do with sham marriages.
I assume you had enough residency to qualify for naturalisation.
Have you applied for citizenship yet ?
It is not necessarily the case that no one will get anything. Under EU law and Article 7 of CFR, there will have to be proportionality assessment. If children are involve, best interest will have to be considered. Before removing a person factors such as their link to the state, integration, whether they own a property will all need to be considered.
@ Obie, do u think my case will get any benefit for chenchooliah case,my case, in on medical condition (GP and consultant letter) and EU citizen is in the state. or they will issue removal order as well. I think, to move to belfast and apply there for residence card but I don't have any stamp.Obie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:24 pmIt is not necessarily the case that no one will get anything. Under EU law and Article 7 of CFR, there will have to be proportionality assessment. If children are involve, best interest will have to be considered. Before removing a person factors such as their link to the state, integration, whether they own a property will all need to be considered.
There is no automatic right of residence, but the government needs to undertake balancing exercise.
And most importantly no one will be removed on the back of a deport order without the prospect of Return.
If eu citizen is in state then why u applied in first place ?arz1986 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:36 pm@ Obie, do u think my case will get any benefit for chenchooliah case,my case, in on medical condition (GP and consultant letter) and EU citizen is in the state. or they will issue removal order as well. I think, to move to belfast and apply there for residence card but I don't have any stamp.Obie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:24 pmIt is not necessarily the case that no one will get anything. Under EU law and Article 7 of CFR, there will have to be proportionality assessment. If children are involve, best interest will have to be considered. Before removing a person factors such as their link to the state, integration, whether they own a property will all need to be considered.
There is no automatic right of residence, but the government needs to undertake balancing exercise.
And most importantly no one will be removed on the back of a deport order without the prospect of Return.
If eu citizen is in state then why u applied in first place ?Finepaddy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:25 pmIf eu citizen is in state then why u applied in first place ?arz1986 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:36 pm@ Obie, do u think my case will get any benefit for chenchooliah case,my case, in on medical condition (GP and consultant letter) and EU citizen is in the state. or they will issue removal order as well. I think, to move to belfast and apply there for residence card but I don't have any stamp.Obie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:24 pmIt is not necessarily the case that no one will get anything. Under EU law and Article 7 of CFR, there will have to be proportionality assessment. If children are involve, best interest will have to be considered. Before removing a person factors such as their link to the state, integration, whether they own a property will all need to be considered.
There is no automatic right of residence, but the government needs to undertake balancing exercise.
And most importantly no one will be removed on the back of a deport order without the prospect of Return.
U got eu fam through marriage?
As you are new member so you can't send/receive messages.. and on Post you are not allowed to write/recommend any firm or person..raj1936 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:50 pm@finalversion_2k I am in very similar situation currently and extremely stressed if I should hire barrister to represent my case.finalversion_2k wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:42 amYes @griffith to me it looks like that.. solicitor and barristers they used our cases as test cases..griffith wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:49 pm@obie i think Applicants case refusals are equivalent to punishments. I wonder if the minister treats non-rep applicants different than the one who hire lawyers to apply on their behalf.
In my opinion initially the application form should be submitted by the applicants themselves and then if there are any issues(if any) than a lawyer should be hired to deal with the minister.
@finalversion.
Do you think your lawyer is using your case as a Test case ?
@Finepaddy its all about money. you pay solicitors thousands and then to barristers thousands.. if your application refuse then they show you another new path.. take my case as example retention refused, hire barrister on heavy fees.. they submit appeal.. now In case if appeal fail then solicitor/barrister will say let bring them to court.. again need to pay them court fee.. if that fail then they will say lets apply for work permit.. if that fails then they will say lets apply for section 3 humanitarian grounds and so on... point is for each application they charge..
the minister have directed my case to eu treaty unit, in another word refused my application. I believe same that my lawyer didnt do his/her best to represent my case. now since 3 weeks awaiting that the lawyer seeking barrister advise.
did you get any positive response with barrister?
If yes please can I have your barrister details because I have no clue which barrister is good in such cases. thanks a lot.
I thought your case was your mother who was refused Residence card as a dependent family member.arz1986 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:36 pm@ Obie, do u think my case will get any benefit for chenchooliah case,my case, in on medical condition (GP and consultant letter) and EU citizen is in the state. or they will issue removal order as well. I think, to move to belfast and apply there for residence card but I don't have any stamp.Obie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:24 pmIt is not necessarily the case that no one will get anything. Under EU law and Article 7 of CFR, there will have to be proportionality assessment. If children are involve, best interest will have to be considered. Before removing a person factors such as their link to the state, integration, whether they own a property will all need to be considered.
There is no automatic right of residence, but the government needs to undertake balancing exercise.
And most importantly no one will be removed on the back of a deport order without the prospect of Return.
Why posting this dearly beloved and race baiting website on this forum.griffith wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:59 pmGuys i think everyone needs to hold on for a few months, general elections are close.
Few years ago Fianna fail had proposed a bill for regularisation of illegal immigrants. Hopefully they will turn out to be in favour of immigrants.
http://www.thetricolour.com/Articles/18 ... /l4457076/
The new government will surely have an impact on the immigration system also the Minister.
I am afraid incompetent lawyers and expensive law firms will continue to rip their clients apart, sucking as much money as they can from them. (This concerns me alot)
I think marriage of convenience included in Directive 2004/38 already.Obie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:15 pmI thought your case was your mother who was refused Residence card as a dependent family member.arz1986 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:36 pm@ Obie, do u think my case will get any benefit for chenchooliah case,my case, in on medical condition (GP and consultant letter) and EU citizen is in the state. or they will issue removal order as well. I think, to move to belfast and apply there for residence card but I don't have any stamp.Obie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:24 pmIt is not necessarily the case that no one will get anything. Under EU law and Article 7 of CFR, there will have to be proportionality assessment. If children are involve, best interest will have to be considered. Before removing a person factors such as their link to the state, integration, whether they own a property will all need to be considered.
There is no automatic right of residence, but the government needs to undertake balancing exercise.
And most importantly no one will be removed on the back of a deport order without the prospect of Return.
Chenchooliah is applicable to all matter except marriage of convenience.