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Naturalisation/Registration certificate is NOT a travel document.voyager1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:56 pmIf a person has registered as a British Citizen outside of the UK, is it ok for them to fly to the UK with their foreign passport and then apply for a British Passport once they are in the UK?
Or if they fly to the UK on their foreign passport and they overstay the UK Visa stamped on their foreign passport, would that be an issue? Or wouldn't it matter at all, seeing as they are registered as a British Citizen?
After they have registered as a British citizen.
What you are saying makes no sense. A British citizen has a right of abode in the UK and is not subject to immigration control. So a British citizen cannot have a UK visa and cannot overstay in the UK. I assume you may use the visa to get on a plane to the UK but at the border you will be admitted as a British citizen if you are British. Any visa held before becoming British will be void or such visa may be cancelled at the border.voyager1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:59 pmI realise that a Registration certificate is NOT a travel document. However, if someone with this certificate, flew to the UK on his foreign passport, which had a UK visa and then overstayed his visa, would that be ok? I mean he has a British Registration certificate, so he can stay in the UK as long as he likes surely? But would he face problems if the visa on his foreign passport expired and then he tried to fly out of the UK with that same foreign passport at a later date?
Yes. As long as you arrive at the UK border, you will face no problems getting in as a British citizen as you cannot be denied entry
What you say doesn't square with the requirement that the right of abode be demonstrated by a suitable British passport or a certificate of entitlement to the right of abode. The whole point of that little bit of law is to enable people who claim to be British to be turned around without a prolonged enquiry as to whether or not they have right of abode. Now, it may now be policy not to use this law against arrivals, but where is it acknowledged?
You need it to prove that you are admissible to the UK for travel before boarding a plane/ferry/train to the UK. Airlines refuse boarding if you do NOT have a valid passport/travel document including a valid visa if you are a visa national. They do not care about your right of abode or anything like that. If you somehow manage to get to the UK border and you are British, a British passport or travel document is NOT necessary for admission. So even a certificate of registration or naturalisation will be enough to get you admitted but the point is that you will not be able to make it to the UK without a passport/travel document/visa.Richard W wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:18 pmWhat you say doesn't square with the requirement that the right of abode be demonstrated by a suitable British passport or a certificate of entitlement to the right of abode. The whole point of that little bit of law is to enable people who claim to be British to be turned around without a prolonged enquiry as to whether or not they have right of abode. Now, it may now be policy not to use this law against arrivals, but where is it acknowledged?
Now, if one avoids a port, there is no legal problem with just entering. If one comes ashore and strolls off the beach into the high street, there is no need for a British citizen to carry a passport.
Correct if you applied for naturalisation (NOT registration)
You can get on a flight with a valid visa.If for example someone bought a ticket to the UK and also presumably got their visa to the UK a day or two prior to the British Citizenship Ceremony, would they then be allowed to fly to the UK on their foreign passport and with the mentioned visa, if the flight date was after the ceremony?
If you have Registration Certificate, you are already British. Registration is NOT the same as naturalisation. You do not naturalise unless you attend the ceremony when you get your Naturalisation certificateWith the idea being they get their flight ticket and visa prior to the ceremony, then they have their ceremony and then fly to the UK on their foreign passport a few days later. Presumably once they landed at the UK airport in question, all they would have to do is show their British Citizenship of Registration Certificate and then they would be allowed into the country.
This is NOT about nationality it is about proving you are allowed to travel to an airline. Because you are British, it does NOT mean an airline will allow you to travel unless you have a appropriate travel document with valid proof of admissibility !!!!voyager1 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:35 amThanks for clarifying stuff Zimba.
Just to confirm, so does that mean that if someone has dual citizenship(both British Citizenship and Citizenship from a non EU country), they can't fly into the UK with their foreign/non British passport(If this passport requires a UK visa)?
Wanted to provide some clarity as regards the date of acquisition of British citizenship as some of the information above is not entirely correct.Zimba wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:00 pmCorrect if you applied for naturalisation (NOT registration)
You can get on a flight with a valid visa.If for example someone bought a ticket to the UK and also presumably got their visa to the UK a day or two prior to the British Citizenship Ceremony, would they then be allowed to fly to the UK on their foreign passport and with the mentioned visa, if the flight date was after the ceremony?
UKVI very likely reject a visa if they see you applied for citizenship and you were approved
If you have Registration Certificate, you are already British. Registration is NOT the same as naturalisation. You do not naturalise unless you attend the ceremony when you get your Naturalisation certificateWith the idea being they get their flight ticket and visa prior to the ceremony, then they have their ceremony and then fly to the UK on their foreign passport a few days later. Presumably once they landed at the UK airport in question, all they would have to do is show their British Citizenship of Registration Certificate and then they would be allowed into the country.