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Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:24 pm

Good evening forum.
I waiting HO decision 4 months 20 days on EU settlement route-primary carer of British child.
I am non EU citizen, my daughter is 17 she is British.
I have not paid rent from 16th of March, i have around 40 ppunds left for everything.

One month ago we went to local Borough council, and explained that we will be homeless soon.
Housing department send us to Social Services.
Social Services told us that we not homeless, i must contact friends and family for support from them, that my daughter is 17 and she can go and worl.
Them told us that them will help with food, by food bank, next Wensday we will have help with food.

I did not paid already 12 days rent, we sub let a room, this pwople expect me to pay rent.

I already borough from.my family, from frinds and from people who o know 9000 pounds. I dont know how to survive.
We can not stay at place where is we are, becouse i have not paid them.

I have mobile and my daughter have mobile, if we will sale may be we will have 100 pounds.

My family will send me 50-100 pounds its all i can provide.

I am confussed and dont know where is look for help and advice.

I think by Monday or Tuesday we will have to go on street.

Can any one advice please any solution.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Zerubbabel » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:46 am

Hello

I understand this difficult situation.

But don't go to the street no matter what. Don't leave the place both together as they can lock the door behind you.

In the UK, nobody can just evict you like that because you missed a rent by a couple of weeks.

Evicting you as a tenant is a process within a very clear legal framework:

https://www.gov.uk/evicting-tenants

What type of accommodation is it? Are you living/sharing with someone? Is that "someone" the owner of the place or another person/people renting like you? How frequently do you pay the rent? Did they give any notice?

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Zerubbabel » Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:58 am

I waiting HO decision 4 months 20 days on EU settlement route-primary carer of British child.
Could you also share more about your immigration history and current status?

Check this too:
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_ ... stic_abuse

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by CR001 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:48 pm

Zerubbabel wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:58 am
I waiting HO decision 4 months 20 days on EU settlement route-primary carer of British child.
Could you also share more about your immigration history and current status?

Check this too:
https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_ ... stic_abuse
I suggest you read the users many previous posts. Came in a tourist visa last year and applied as a carer for a British child under EU rules/scheme. Tourist visa already expired. Child is British and presumably Russian but lived in Russia with the op till they came last year.

Important also to note that not paying rent and becoming homeless is considered making yourself voluntarily homeless and would mean no help from the council for social housing. The child is also almost an adult, which makes a difference.
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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:54 pm

We rent a room in 2 bedroom flat with family of 4 people. Them rent room their self from lanlord.
I applied 13 of November 2019 under EU settlement as primary carer of British child, we come back m UK in September 2019 after 15 years living in Russia with my daughter, i entered in country with visitors visa.
I wait for HO decision 4 and half months.
My visitors visa expired 10 of March 2020.
I paid rent all 6 months, lst 13 days i can not pay.
My daughters father never support us financially, he is British and live in UK.
I can not have Child Maintanance from him, becouse i need have NI.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:07 pm

My daughter is 17 and half, she study in college, and not speak English.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:13 pm

If i will be dead wiill Social Services look after my daughter, or will support her some time before she can live ondependent?

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Zerubbabel » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:15 am

No they will not look after her if you are dead. She is nearly an adult.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:33 pm

But them will help her. Right?

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by ALKB » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:24 pm

Toledos wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:33 pm
But them will help her. Right?
Are you safe?

If you are feeling overwhelmed and scared and feel the urge to hurt yourself, please, please reach out to your GP or an organisation like the samaritans:

https://www.samaritans.org/
I am not a regulated immigration advisor. I am offering an opinion and not advice.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Zerubbabel » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:35 pm

Toledos wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:33 pm
But them will help her. Right?
You must kidding right? The UK is a jungle for a 17.5 year girl alone. I let you understand the word jungle as you want.

I read your immigration history and this drama has been caused by the common belief that the EU Settlement Scheme is an immigration silver bullet and anyone can just send a business card and receive a 5-year residence in return :( Immigrating to the UK with a visitor visa is a risky option that most often than not ends up in tears.

At the moment, the damage is done and it's compounded by this coronavirus crisis.

There is not much you can do apart from waiting to get a decision to your application.

Talk to your landlord/hosts. They have to understand that this is an exceptional situation and they have to give you time before any eviction.

For food, there are charities that can help.

In which region/city are you at the moment?

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:34 pm

ALKB wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:24 pm
Toledos wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:33 pm
But them will help her. Right?
Are you safe?

If you are feeling overwhelmed and scared and feel the urge to hurt yourself, please, please reach out to your GP or an organisation like the samaritans:

https://www.samaritans.org/
Yes, we are safe, thank you for worries, i have tablets from GP already cople months ago.
I am not will do any thing to myself.
I am not want yo be invalid, you never know how things goes.
Thank you anyway.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:52 pm

Zerubbabel wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:35 pm
Toledos wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:33 pm
But them will help her. Right?
You must kidding right? The UK is a jungle for a 17.5 year girl alone. I let you understand the word jungle as you want.

I read your immigration history and this drama has been caused by the common belief that the EU Settlement Scheme is an immigration silver bullet and anyone can just send a business card and receive a 5-year residence in return :( Immigrating to the UK with a visitor visa is a risky option that most often than not ends up in tears.

At the moment, the damage is done and it's compounded by this coronavirus crisis.

There is not much you can do apart from waiting to get a decision to your application.

Talk to your landlord/hosts. They have to understand that this is an exceptional situation and they have to give you time before any eviction.

For food, there are charities that can help.

In which region/city are you at the moment?
My friend from Russia send us 50 pounds, but its takes up to 14 days to reach us. We will have help with food from charity tomorrow.

Landlord not willing to write eviction letter, them saying you just can lieave, we no can kick you out now. But them expect me to pay.

Social Services asking for eviction letter from landlord, for them to help us.

I do understand what is jungle, i will do all i can to look and help tp my child.

EU resolution Scheme is was option for me, i had to wait till 11 of March 2020 to be able to apply under British law.

I dont know can i make second application while i waiting for decision from EU team. Or if i will make application under British law its will cancel EU application.

I waiting already to long, i do understand now that its takes longer. I was not prepared financially to eait so long time.

If i had right to work i will never be in situation like this.

Father of my daughter lives on UK did not help to child come and live here for 15 years. Child was moved from UK not by her choice, i had not right to stay when my right to remain expires. I follow the rules. To bring my daughter back in UK its took long time, and only option was visitor visa, i was explined all in my letter when i applied.
What must happened, will happened.

I thank you for your critic and all stay healthy.

Thank you for support.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:56 pm

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by seagul » Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:06 am

At the moment for at least 3 months all the court proceedings especially relating to court possession order & eviction is temporarily frozen means a landlord cannot evict its tenant due to rent arrears but of course these won't be waived rather will have to clear later. Also you seems like a lodger instead tenant who usually have far lesser rights than a tenant with AST who can be removed without section 21/S8 notice even in their absence the landlord can change the locks if have already given sufficient notice to leave. Also the council never consider a person homeless until the last day of their removal through bailiffs (in most cases).
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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by JB007 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:46 am

seagul wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:06 am
Also the council never consider a person homeless until the last day of their removal through bailiffs (in most cases).
CR001 wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:48 pm
Important also to note that not paying rent and becoming homeless is considered making yourself voluntarily homeless and would mean no help from the council for social housing. The child is also almost an adult, which makes a difference.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by JB007 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:54 am

JB007 wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:46 am
seagul wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:06 am
Also the council never consider a person homeless until the last day of their removal through bailiffs (in most cases).
CR001 wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:48 pm
Important also to note that not paying rent and becoming homeless is considered making yourself voluntarily homeless and would mean no help from the council for social housing. The child is also almost an adult, which makes a difference.
Rent and council tax are always priority debts for every adult because of what happens to you if you don't pay.

Your daughter is allowed to work and supermarkets are hiring shelf stackers.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Good afternoon.
We tryed to apply for work in supetmarkets for my daughter, under safety regulation them not hiring people under 18.

I receved letter from MP, its was answer from Social Services

It appears that Miss..... was advised by Social Services to attempt to regularise her status with the Home Office and apply for the No Recourse to Public Funds condition to be lifted. Even if access to Housing continues to be restricted, by lifting the NRPF condition, would mean she can apply for benefits including help with her rent.
Them send me form also, when i read its says eligibility:
I must have granted leave to remain.
But i am only waiting for decision 5 months and 6 days now, i dont have right to remain.When i will have right to work, i will not need Social Services help.

Can please anyone answer who is right here?
Also can its takes longer than 6 months to make decusion, if yes, what should i do next?
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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by JB007 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:27 am

Toledos wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:52 pm
To bring my daughter back in UK its took long time, and only option was visitor visa,
Toledos wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:54 pm
We rent a room in 2 bedroom flat with family of 4 people. Them rent room their self from lanlord.
How did you manage to rent when you were only in the UK on a visitor visa?

Are you paying your rent money to the landlord? Or are you paying rent to the family who have the rental tenancy with the owner of the property?

When is your daughter 18?

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by JB007 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:47 am

Toledos wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:24 pm
we sub let a room, this pwople expect me to pay rent.
Does the owner of the property know his tenants have done this?

You are not allowed to rent a property as a visitor and the owner of the property can get into a lot of trouble for this.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by JB007 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:20 am

Toledos wrote:
Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:02 pm
When i will have right to work, i will not need Social Services help.
I don't think you realise how expensive it is to live in London if you don't have the skills to earn a high wage. I'm assuming that if you had these skills, you would have come to the UK in your own right on a work visa, instead of applying for a visitor visa to get to the UK, when instead you wanted to enter the UK and stay?

Even if you do manage to get benefits eventually, you won't have that much money given to you. Then there will be a dramatic drop in that benefit money when you can no longer claim benefits for your child, because the child has become an adult.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by Toledos » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:32 am

I have skills to get good job, i have very good work experience.
I did not relise that its will take so long to have rights to work. Since i will havd righg to work, i will not need any benefits, for me is very important to know, how longer we must survive?
I waiting for decision 5 months and 1 week.
I done my biometrics with 2 weeks, i received COA after 2 months after applying, but decision take l9nger than i expected.
I borrowed money from.family and friends and we survived so long (7 months).
Main question is how long its takes to receive decision.
We have help with food.

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Re: Advice for place to live until HO decision

Post by THO » Mon Apr 20, 2020 11:51 am

Toledos,

The child is very nearly an adult. I don't want to be talking out of turn, and wish you success, but what grounds do you have to obtain a visa? You do not need to look after a person who is nearly 18.

You came here illegally and so I guess the HO will likely refuse, because I can't see you have a case to be here. Her father is here after all.

Hope it works out though.

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