Citizenship ceremonies on 3rd July 2020

[littlerr]

INIS is a very inefficient department I must say.
My friend said that his mother lives in Canada and her citizenship was sent to her address back in March due to COVID-19 and see..... they are still not sure what they are going to do here. How silly....
I am really disappointed.

That is simply not true. Like Ireland, Canada requires applicants to attend a citizenship ceremony. The Canada immigration department website clearly says "We cancelled all citizenship events until further notice... We’ll send you a new date and time as soon as possible."

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-re ... ip.html#s1

It is true that a lot of people are frustrated, but it is simply impossible for officials to try to change the legislation because they have to wait for a few extra months. I would rather hope that they resolve more pressing issues such as IRP renewals. These have far larger impact than citizenship applications and it is possible to resolve these issues within the current legislation.

[5121472]

INIS is a very inefficient department I must say.
My friend said that his mother lives in Canada and her citizenship was sent to her address back in March due to COVID-19 and see..... they are still not sure what they are going to do here. How silly....
I am really disappointed.

That is simply not true. Like Ireland, Canada requires applicants to attend a citizenship ceremony. The Canada immigration department website clearly says "We cancelled all citizenship events until further notice... We’ll send you a new date and time as soon as possible."

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-re ... ip.html#s1

It is true that a lot of people are frustrated, but it is simply impossible for officials to try to change the legislation because they have to wait for a few extra months. I would rather hope that they resolve more pressing issues such as IRP renewals. These have far larger impact than citizenship applications and it is possible to resolve these issues within the current legislation.

Okay Mr. INIS' advocate.
I'll double check with my friend.

[Delacruz007]

Kindly verify your information before you start spreading lies please.
INIS have been fair and effective the best way they can with the citizenships. Even in the face of the virus earlier on March, ceremony was done when it could be physically be done. Please, Let’s not allow being bored be the factor to start chatting nonsense when you can fact check information you were giving online before coming to the forum lol.

[Bealtaine]

Completely double that.

The wait can be frustrating and disproportional but I don’t understand why people assume that citizenship is a right vs a privilege. It all stems from the egoistic sense of entitlement that serves no one and is toxic.

Completely agree re the spread of false info and fake news too- knowing or unknowingly. People want to be included and relevant and state stuff (not mentioning the poster here but merely his friend who could’ve shared the info with him which he posted without verifying it).

Since the July has been cancelled, can this thread be closed too please, dear mods?

Hope you’re all safe and well!

[Stanina]

Next ceremony part was updated on Citizenship part of the website.

Please do not contact us in this regard as we are not in a position to confirm invitation at this stage. Applicants to be invited will be notified in good time.
These events are entirely dependent on the operational needs of public health policy and the advice of healthcare professionals. The Department will continue to monitor developments.

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/citizen ... eremonies/

PS Agree that INIS doing good job with the number people working at the citizenship department. I hope they change format to new social distancing norms and we will have ceremony this year.

[ailA2019]

Kindly verify your information before you start spreading lies please.
INIS have been fair and effective the best way they can with the citizenships. Even in the face of the virus earlier on March, ceremony was done when it could be physically be done. Please, Let’s not allow being bored be the factor to start chatting nonsense when you can fact check information you were giving online before coming to the forum lol.

I believe the info was he posted without verifying it.

but NIS have been fair and effective the best way they can with the citizenships, I find it funny because a lot of people are waiting for 3,4 years for a decision but other people only wait few months.

I know the citizenship is a privilege,I'm not talking about the grant or refuse but with a fair and effective should be all people have a decision with a few months. however, they have an media centre can defend them under this point.

[5121472]

Kindly verify your information before you start spreading lies please.
INIS have been fair and effective the best way they can with the citizenships. Even in the face of the virus earlier on March, ceremony was done when it could be physically be done. Please, Let’s not allow being bored be the factor to start chatting nonsense when you can fact check information you were giving online before coming to the forum lol.

Stupid and hilarious argument.
I double checked again and it was an exception as per my friend before the lockdown etc. started in Canada. Please refrain from idiotically raising objections and advocating INIS for their unreasonable treatment towards its customers.

[5121472]

I find it funny how people can tolerate this type of treatment from INIS and still say that all that INIS is doing is fair.
Having a backlog going back as far as 2016/2017 is fair? Wow! This is ridiculous.
You guys seriously have your wit withdrawn from you.
All those who get their approvals start lecturing others here on the forum. We don't need your lecture here folks. There are others who don't get the approvals, but are stupid enough to be happy to stay in the miserable situation they are already in. If you don't ask, you don't get is the rule here. Ask the deserving people who applied in 2017 and they'll tell you how frustrated they feel.
Moreover, If you cannot feel the stress other people are going through, at least talk sensibly and have some respect for others.

[5121472]

Kindly verify your information before you start spreading lies please.
INIS have been fair and effective the best way they can with the citizenships. Even in the face of the virus earlier on March, ceremony was done when it could be physically be done. Please, Let’s not allow being bored be the factor to start chatting nonsense when you can fact check information you were giving online before coming to the forum lol.

I believe the info was he posted without verifying it.

but NIS have been fair and effective the best way they can with the citizenships, I find it funny because a lot of people are waiting for 3,4 years for a decision but other people only wait few months.

I know the citizenship is a privilege,I'm not talking about the grant or refuse but with a fair and effective should be all people have a decision with a few months. however, they have an media centre can defend them under this point.

Exactly, that was my point. People ignore the main thing and start giving stupid arguments about everything else.
It citizenship is merely a privilege then why do people take the Minister of Justice to court for unreasonably delaying their apps?
The point is, citizenship itself is a privilege, however, unreasonable delays are a discrimination, which is more of a crime and unfair treatment.

[aneelrahim]

The Department of Justice and Equality wishes to advise that due to the current Covid-19 Pandemic the citizenship ceremonies scheduled for Friday 3rd July 2020 at the Killarney Convention Centre in Killarney, Co. Kerry are postponed.

ISD officials are currently exploring alternative options that protect public health, comply with current restrictions and guidelines and ensure these events are delivered in the dignified and solemn manner appropriate to such an important milestone.

Please continue to check this website for further announcements and updates.


https://www.irishimmigration.ie/citizen ... -covid-19/

[MantisToboggan]

Just revived a Email yesterday I been revived a email for the last 8 days becouse I am writing them every time to push them this it’s the right time to push them with the old application becouse they have not new application on their hands so they can make decisions on the old application more quickly, so I have put my lower as well couse my application has been pending for over 2 years and 2 months with out any excuses

My God. 2+yrs is a long time . Time to pressure them through a solicitor?

For a refusal decision ?

[luckyfish1985]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social- ... -1.4263182

[5121472]

Any further updates guys, as to when this nightmare is finally going to be over?

[Sailorden]

Nothing heard yet!

[ailA2019]

Any further updates guys, as to when this nightmare is finally going to be over?

Do you remember the info was posted on Thu May 21, 2020 1:28 pm about why Ireland not do online citizenship ceremonies like Canada and the people not believe you. so, Now become truth

Canada to soon hold online citizenship ceremonies (New Canadians who have had their swearing in postponed due to the COVID-19 crisis may soon have the opportunity to take the oath in online ceremonies).

however , Ireland and Canada constitution , Says adult has to be sworn in front of a judge,


please see attached

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citize ... -1.5595253

[5121472]

Any further updates guys, as to when this nightmare is finally going to be over?

Do you remember the info was posted on Thu May 21, 2020 1:28 pm about why Ireland not do online citizenship ceremonies like Canada and the people not believe you. so, Now become truth

Canada to soon hold online citizenship ceremonies (New Canadians who have had their swearing in postponed due to the COVID-19 crisis may soon have the opportunity to take the oath in online ceremonies).

however , Ireland and Canada constitution , Says adult has to be sworn in front of a judge,


please see attached

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citize ... -1.5595253

Thanks for the info.
Smart move by the Canadian government and some people were getting crazy about what I had said. I dont know why people can be so intolerant, unpleasant, unreasonable and impatient about things.

Now let s see what INIS do about the whole situation. They are just so inefficient and slow most of the times, when compared with other countries. I dont know what Minister of Justice is up to and when exactly he would want his department to prioritise and clear the years old backlog of applications. This is so annoying for people who have been waiting literally for years, even though they have a good character and fulfil all requirements. Total inefficiency here. Some countries are particularly being targeted here from what I have seen. This is clear discrimination and is unacceptable.

[Stanina]

Now let s see what INIS do about the whole situation. They are just so inefficient and slow most of the times, when compared with other countries. I dont know what Minister of Justice is up to and when exactly he would want his department to prioritise and clear the years old backlog of applications. This is so annoying for people who have been waiting literally for years, even though they have a good character and fulfil all requirements. Total inefficiency here. Some countries are particularly being targeted here from what I have seen. This is clear discrimination and is unacceptable.

I guess no news until new government is formed and next minister is elected, now even second in command in Department is leaving.


Department is grossly underfunded with only 50-70 people working over 17K applications.

[johnpromise01]

Now let s see what INIS do about the whole situation. They are just so inefficient and slow most of the times, when compared with other countries. I dont know what Minister of Justice is up to and when exactly he would want his department to prioritise and clear the years old backlog of applications. This is so annoying for people who have been waiting literally for years, even though they have a good character and fulfil all requirements. Total inefficiency here. Some countries are particularly being targeted here from what I have seen. This is clear discrimination and is unacceptable.

I guess no news until new government is formed and next minister is elected, now even second in command in Department is leaving.


Department is grossly underfunded with only 50-70 people working over 17K applications.

Wow

[hdsgnr]

Hi guys,

I paid the €950 fee for naturalization on 29th of January this year, but didn't get an invitation for a ceremony, and then got caught by the COVID-19 crysis. Is there anyone else in my situation?

It's been 4.5 months since I sent the money and there's no real timeline of when/if I will attend a ceremony. I feel like I've been charged for something, that I didn't get. I just hope they don't lose my documents and bank draft.

Let's hope they'll schedule an online ceremony at some point.

[hdsgnr]

By the way this is another example of country (Australia) that held citizenship ceremonies online:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMGYujxto8U

[contactphilipt]

Hopefully the Department will see how other countries are successfully doing it and we can adapt in the near future. Hopefully with contact to local TDs about it, they will realise there has to be agility with regard to the issue.

[johnpromise01]

That is not a valid argument. You cannot ask the minister not to respect the Constitution of Ireland.

Changing Constitution requires a referendum. Unless you are suggesting that people all over the country should come to a hall to vote so that you don’t have to attend a ceremony, that simply won’t happen. The best thing to do is to follow WHO’s advice. Stay home and let this disruption finish as soon as possible.

still the point is: No more delays are acceptable.
it's Minister's job to find an appropriate solution.

Spot on

[kalyna]

Hi guys,

I paid the €950 fee for naturalization on 29th of January this year, but didn't get an invitation for a ceremony, and then got caught by the COVID-19 crysis. Is there anyone else in my situation?

It's been 4.5 months since I sent the money and there's no real timeline of when/if I will attend a ceremony. I feel like I've been charged for something, that I didn't get. I just hope they don't lose my documents and bank draft.

Let's hope they'll schedule an online ceremony at some point.

Hi, I think there are plenty of people in the same situation as you, I received my approval on 29/01/20 and did't get an invite. I remember there were approvals issued at the start of February, don't think a lot of those applicants got invited to March ceremony. I got a confirmation that my docs and payment were received and I will be included in the next ceremony. As to long wait since you have paid your fee, no one have predicted the pandemic, we all got events postponed (exams, weddings, holidays, medical appointments etc), no point complaining about the delay caused by pandemic and feel as you "have been charged for something, that I didn't get". It's unusual situation and we need to be patient, probably there is more to it for the department than just agree an online ceremony or find other solution. They may not have been the quickest or progressive bunch of people, but give them a chance to figure out how to handle this right. We saw they can act quick when a court decision came out in November and there were doubts they can still hold a scheduled ceremony for 9th December. We will be there in person or online sooner or later, at least we have got an approval already, less to worry about.

[siseñor]

There's a new announcement on the website:

The Department of Justice and Equality wishes to advise that due to the current Covid-19 Pandemic the citizenship ceremonies scheduled for Friday 3rd July 2020 at the Killarney Convention Centre in Killarney, Co. Kerry are postponed.

ISD officials are currently exploring alternative options that protect public health, comply with current restrictions and guidelines and ensure these events are delivered in the dignified and solemn manner appropriate to such an important milestone.

Please continue to check this website for further announcements and updates.

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/citizen ... -covid-19/

Their website updates are very random as the actual "news" page doesn't get a lot of updates and instead they keep changing the text on this particular URL without even changing the date

[Bealtaine]

There's a new announcement on the website:

The Department of Justice and Equality wishes to advise that due to the current Covid-19 Pandemic the citizenship ceremonies scheduled for Friday 3rd July 2020 at the Killarney Convention Centre in Killarney, Co. Kerry are postponed.

ISD officials are currently exploring alternative options that protect public health, comply with current restrictions and guidelines and ensure these events are delivered in the dignified and solemn manner appropriate to such an important milestone.

Please continue to check this website for further announcements and updates.

https://www.irishimmigration.ie/citizen ... -covid-19/

Their website updates are very random as the actual "news" page doesn't get a lot of updates and instead they keep changing the text on this particular URL without even changing the date

1. https://www.irishimmigration.ie/covid-1 ... e-12-2020/

2. http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Immigrat ... 9-FAQ4.pdf Advised against sending things in till Ph 5 (Mid-Aug) in the pdf and Ph 4 (Mid-July) in the first link which seems to be the latest guidance.