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If Christian is right then these two groups wouldn't need proof of language abilities to come and reside int the country. I think he is correct.ashimashi wrote:1. What about EU Migrant?
2. What about a non-EU family member?
Although not necessarily for naturalisation applications, I think.ca.funke wrote:Under 2004/38/EC, language tests for EU-citizens and their family-members are ILLEGAL.
86ti wrote:But if one wants to obtain citizenship then this person is subject to national law.
Sorry - what I was writing wasn't clear.Christophe wrote:Although not necessarily for naturalisation applications, I think.
Ofcourse, what you say makes perfect sense, and I'd go further than that, even for permanent residence a basic language test won't do any harm.iamwhoever wrote:There are several countries that require language tests for naturalisation, and I don't see an issue with it. I mean, if one wants to become a citizen of a country, I think one should show that one has assimilated to the culture, this includes language. One shouldn't just take another citizenship for convenience, there should be loyalty to that country. I don't see how anyone could have loyalty for a country they don't know.
I believe EU-nationals are irrelevant since the test will only be required for those persons wishing to become naturalised as a citizen. I don't see an EU-national wanting to become a citizen of another EU country. I don't really see the point since there is free movement, with the exception of voting rights. However, there are countries like the Netherlands who don't allow dual citizenship, except through marriage.
Being from the US, a country that has no official language and doesn't require a language test, though you must be able to take the citizenship test, which I believe is offered in both English and Spanish, there needs to be something to make immigration work.
Just a thought. Personally, I love language, and I hope to learn more languages.
i have no problem about testing or anything in languages, but like some of the post in this topic. is this legal according to the EU directive? or this is just another talk to up like the irish government imposed to the legal migrants like they screwed up in the EU1. the other thing i have concerned in the language test is the legality in the irish law itself. sounds like the irish government is going to impose to everyone instead of the new applicants! it means they will ask everyone to do the language test even you submitted you application before they changed the citizenship requirement. now now, this is very wrong, isnt it?Christophe wrote:Although not necessarily for naturalisation applications, I think.ca.funke wrote:Under 2004/38/EC, language tests for EU-citizens and their family-members are ILLEGAL.
But back to immigration, one way around the English—Gaelic issue would be to say that a satisfactory knowledge of Gaelic was acceptable: the number of people who would successfully "pass" on that basis would be tiny, and the number of people who would know sufficient Gaelic but not sufficient English would (I predict) be zero.
When people in the UK apply for indefinite leave to remain now, they have to demonstrate a knowledge of English by one of a number of means, and for low-level speakers an improvement in ability it what is sought. I think what the British government was trying to avoid was the situation where people (mostly women, but not entirely) lived in the UK for years and years but spoke no English at all. And of course, people applying for indefinite leave to remain have already been in the UK for some years. A knowledge of Welsh or Scottish Gaelic is also acceptable.
I agree that testing, whenever it is carried out, has to be done under reasonable conditions, as noted above — not, for example, at an airport after a 12-hour flight with three tired and fractious children in tow! (Having said that of course, a native or highly competent English speaker might be happy enough to be examined at the airport, if an examination was a requirement, in order to "get it out of the way".)
It also needs to be realistic. In order to naturalise as Danish, for example (note naturalise again, not move to Denmark as an immigrant) a person has to speak Danish "in a natural accent"; depending how rigourously this is applied, it could effectively bar almost everyone who is not a very gifted linguist or who didn't learn the language at a fairly young age, since the acquisition of a fully natural accent in a foreign language that has learned in adulthood is notoriously difficult. Possibly that is in part the intention, I don't know. Presumably the testing envisaged here would be more realistic than that...