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And you are here... not permanently?iamwhoever wrote:I know the US uses fingerprints to conduction an FBI background search for Green Card (Permanent Residency) and Naturalisation applicants, but that makes more sense since you will be given permission to reside permanently.
In the US, everybody who wants to _visit_ has their fingerprints taken, no matter how long this _visit_ is.iamwhoever wrote:I don't know. To a degree it made me feel like a criminal, but there isn't much I can do unless I wish to leave, and I don't, so I cooperated, as I'm sure anyone who wishes to remain in Ireland will.
I can vouch that not all non-EU have their fingerprints taken. We picked up my wife's EU4Fam-card two weeks ago, she is from Lebanon. No fingerprints taken... (Or maybe that was before the system went into operation?)iamwhoever wrote:I can vouch that they are fingerprinting all non-EU nationals; I'm from the US and I was fingerprinted when registering last week.
I think that's right. At least I was fingerprinted a month ago.Christophe wrote:But then again, all visitors entering the USA on the visa-waiver program are finger-printed, are they not?
Currently, no I am not. If I were, I would not be made to register with the GNIB every year. I am here on a Stamp 1A for the duration of 3.5 years, though I still must register every year. Afterwards, I may decide to stay and work on a Green Card, but still, I would not be here permanently because again it would require registration and renewal. On when I seek LTR or Naturalisation will I be officially seeking permanent residence. Until such, I am not considered a permanent resident.And you are here... not permanently?
If this is now the case, I completely disagree with it. However, I haven't kept on this since the last time my brother-in-law, who is a British Citizen, came to the US, which was a few years ago, and at that time, he wasn't required to give fingerprints. Again, I don't believe it should be in place. Frankly, there are a lot of things that the US has done/is doing that I don't believe in. The government hasn't been that of the people for years. Hence the reason I left.In the US, everybody who wants to _visit_ has their fingerprints taken, no matter how long this _visit_ is.
They just started last week. I went to the GNIB about 2 weeks ago the first time and it wasn't in place. I couldn't register because they hadn't received my last document from my sponsor (found out later that my sponsor hadn't even sent it yet), and they weren't taking finger prints. When I returned the following week, which was really only 4 days later, they had signs up and the fingerprint machine were all on. They machines were there the previous week, but they weren't being used yet.I can vouch that not all non-EU have their fingerprints taken. We picked up my wife's EU4Fam-card two weeks ago, she is from Lebanon. No fingerprints taken... (Or maybe that was before the system went into operation?)
1. I was just telling my experience; that is all.All I wonder is why you compare Europe with the US, complaining you have to give your prints while (obviously) residing here permanently, while "we" have to give all 10 fingers for a visit to your country?
Yeah, I think we are on the same side. After re-reading my first post, I realised how it could be seen as a comparison, which wasn't my aim. I really think the fingerprinting thing is crazy, but then again, with the things going on in this world, can you really blame governments for wanting to be cautious.ca.funke wrote:Hi iamwhoever,
thanks for your explanations - I think we're on the same side
Knowing they only started fingerprinting last week makes me wonder if my wife WOULD have been fingerprinted!? This would probably be (I don't like to say this anymore) ILLEGAL considering 2004/38/EC.
Regards, Christian
That's crazy, really crazy!ciaramc wrote:I just wanted to share some information.....
I live in Italy where for the past year they have been fingerprinting all non-EU when they are applying/renewing residence cards....now my husband non-EU visa required national ....was fingerprinted??? in May 2007 when applying for his RC....which by the way was refused??? We are now are in the process of appealing(waiting for the court to open ?? has been closed for vacation since August 1, will re-open 15 Sep can you believe it?)...I have heard of other spouses of Italians/EU citizen not being asked to have their fingerprints taken....cannot tell you why my husband had to!
Also Italy wants to implement as of 2010....all people applying for an national ID card be fingerprinted....yes that includes all Italians!
My condolences but best of luck with your appeal, quick question are you an EU citizen or Italian citizen?ciaramc wrote:I know.....first of all fingerprinting everybody???
I'm particularly bitter as we waited over a 1 year and a half for a responce from the immigration and in the end they refused him....why the hell did they need his fingerprints if they were going to refuse him? You have no idea!