Reconsider application in Pre Action Protocol

[Sobi143s]

Wasem bro
Yours Email address ?

Did you get response from home office?

still no reply from home office. my 15 working days complte on 19 aug 2020.
wht about ur case status?

Still in process.
Can you share emal address

[CR001]

Wasem bro
Yours Email address ?

Did you get response from home office?

still no reply from home office. my 15 working days complte on 19 aug 2020.
wht about ur case status?

Still in process.
Can you share emal address

Can you please desist from asking for email addresses. Members are NOT permitted to post such information on the forum or any other form of contact information.

[Waseem03]

Wasem bro
Yours Email address ?

Did you get response from home office?

still no reply from home office. my 15 working days complte on 19 aug 2020.
wht about ur case status?

hi sobi,
just now i received emial from home office they said
Your appeal is in a queue waiting to be reviewed.Please be advised that due to the current Covid19 situation, various UK and overseas offices are closed and as such, delays may be incurred. You are advised to consult the GOV.UK website to check for any resumption of business.

[Sobi143s]

They will take long time.

[Waseem03]

They will take long time.

did u get email from home office?

[Sobi143s]

They will take long time.

did u get email from home office?

No waseem bro.
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[CR001]

They will take long time.

did u get email from home office?

No waseem bro.
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[ti_abbasi2002]

Did you apply within UK or outside?. What do you need to include in paid email after getting PAP response to reconsider application. How long it will take after successful PAP response for family visit visa?

i am apply from pakistan , i sent paid email to UKVI cuz my pap reconsider time limit ( 3months) complted, and they still no descn on my PAP reconsider outcome.
after sent paid email they reply that the UKVI update you regarding your PAP outcome with in 15 working days which is complte on 20aug 2020.

which category u have applied visa or PAP? are u apply from uk ?

I am living in the UK last 13 years. My wife applied for family visit visa in Feb 20 from PAKISTAN along wid daughter n got refusal in march n in April we sent PAP and on 6th July they set aside previous decision and said next step follows shortly. She visited me before but they refused twice this time.

your family PAP was refused?

"Our PAP was successful on 6th of July 20" in which they set aside previous decision but still waiting for next step.

[ti_abbasi2002]

Did you apply within UK or outside?. What do you need to include in paid email after getting PAP response to reconsider application. How long it will take after successful PAP response for family visit visa?

i am apply from pakistan , i sent paid email to UKVI cuz my pap reconsider time limit ( 3months) complted, and they still no descn on my PAP reconsider outcome.
after sent paid email they reply that the UKVI update you regarding your PAP outcome with in 15 working days which is complte on 20aug 2020.

which category u have applied visa or PAP? are u apply from uk ?

I am living in the UK last 13 years. My wife applied for family visit visa in Feb 20 from PAKISTAN along wid daughter n got refusal in march n in April we sent PAP and on 6th July they set aside previous decision and said next step follows shortly. She visited me before but they refused twice this time.

your family PAP was refused?

I got this reply from PAP department:

"Response to the proposed claim

I acknowledge that the ECO in their decision dated 10 March 2020 has made errors when
assessing Ms - - - application with regard to her immigration history. It is the case
that her application for further leave to remain in the UK was submitted in time and she
remained in the UK lawfully up to the point that her decision was served in October 2019.

I do not accept however that the ECO has incorrectly discharged their duty under Section
55 towards Ms - - - I am satisfied that once the ECO had determined that Ms---
had not met the requirements of the Immigration Rules they were correct to refuse Ms
---’s application for a visitor visa.
Having considered the details of your clients’ applications and your letter before claim I
am satisfied that the decision to refuse your clients a visitor visa should be set aside and
their applications reconsidered. UKVI will be in touch shortly to advise your clients of next
steps"

[Asif Aziz]

Is there any person whose got the PAP response after reconsideration. I think the PAP department just used to delay the process. my consideration time has also 4 months passed but nothing.If they give the decision on time then they will got the number of JR filed and in COVID situation they are using such acts to delay .

[Waseem03]

Is there any person whose got the PAP response after reconsideration. I think the PAP department just used to delay the process. my consideration time has also 4 months passed but nothing.If they give the decision on time then they will got the number of JR filed and in COVID situation they are using such acts to delay .

@asif,

i am still waiting for PAP out come, my consideration time has also nearly 6 months passed , i sent paid email to UKVI on 29th july regarding my PAP outcome , they reply back with in 7 days that your case in a que waiting to be review, they give me no time limit how long they wil make a descion.

[Sobi143s]

To know PAP reconsideration status....7 month has been passed, still no response from UKVI.
04 Aug: Made paid call to UKVI.
04 Aug: Received Verification email from UKVI.
04 Aug: Submitted Verification email.
12 Aug: Received email (You should contacted within 15 Working days).
28 Aug: Received email from deceision making center they are looking into your enquiry and take appropriate action.

[Asif Aziz]

You have missed the opportunity for a JR. The pressure is off the HO. It's up to you what you do next since it'll make little difference. In these matters tactics are important and you have missed out on that score. Good luck all the same.
When i asked to one barrister for this delay .(My solicitor said wait but this barrister said you are loosing your pressure at HO.) He said these are tact and HO policies to discourage. They always try to push away from legal points .Because at legal points they become stuck but their policy changes from month to month.

[Waseem03]

You have missed the opportunity for a JR. The pressure is off the HO. It's up to you what you do next since it'll make little difference. In these matters tactics are important and you have missed out on that score. Good luck all the same.
When i asked to one barrister for this delay .(My solicitor said wait but this barrister said you are loosing your pressure at HO.) He said these are tact and HO policies to discourage. They always try to push away from legal points .Because at legal points they become stuck but their policy changes from month to month.

@asif,
today morning i sent again paid email to UKVI regarding my PAP outcome, and just now i received email from UKVI ,
(With regards to your query, we re-escalated your case to the relevant department. You should be contacted regarding your case maximum within 20 working days from the date of escalation.

Your patience is highly appreciated.)

[Waseem03]

To know PAP reconsideration status....7 month has been passed, still no response from UKVI.
04 Aug: Made paid call to UKVI.
04 Aug: Received Verification email from UKVI.
04 Aug: Submitted Verification email.
12 Aug: Received email (You should contacted within 15 Working days).
28 Aug: Received email from deceision making center they are looking into your enquiry and take appropriate action.

@sobi,
today morning i sent again paid email to UKVI regarding my PAP outcome, and just now i received email from UKVI ,
(With regards to your query, we re-escalated your case to the relevant department. You should be contacted regarding your case maximum within 20 working days from the date of escalation.

Your patience is highly appreciated.)

[Asif Aziz]

hi waseem
Your refusal grounds..? can you share at which points they refused.

[Asif Aziz]

i means refusal

[Waseem03]

hi waseem
Your refusal grounds..? can you share at which points they refused.

@asif,
here is all points of my refusal.


In support of your application you provided a business bank account for XXXXC held with
Xxxxxxx Bank Limited. The account ends XXXX, and the statement runs from 26/10/2018 –
01/11/2019. The closing balance on 01/11/2019 was 25,480,471.97 PKR (£126,568.00 at an Oanda
exchange rate of £1/199.68 PKR on 16/11/2019), I note however the closing balance 3 days prior to
this on 29/10/2019 was 227,869.04 PKR (£1,131.89). On this basis I am not satisfied that
25,480,471.97 is truly reflective of an average balance for the business to hold. Throughout the
entire statement period the balance fluctuates between 100,000.00 PKR and 31,000,000.00 PKR,
suggesting that your business has a high turnover and requires at least this amount to fund its
current operation on a monthly basis. You were asked to provide an up to date statement after your
interview running from 01/11/2019 – 22/12/2019. The statement demonstrates a closing balance on
24/12/2019 of 17,995,038.87 PKR (£89,368.30) some £37,119.70 less than the closing balance of
the previous statement, I note that during this statement period the balance drops to a low of
10,512,505.97 PKR (£52,281.50). I also note that the summary page states that the total debits in
this period was 28,185,489.00 (£140,005.00), this figure is almost equal to the opening balance of
the styatement, whilst credits amounted to 17,715,805.90 PKR (£87,999.30), this amount was
received into the account in one single transaction on 18/11/2019 no other credits were received
between 01/11/2019 and 24/12/2019. This point serves to illustrate that in a 7 week period your
company required £140,005.00 to sustain itself, whilst only receiving £87,999.30 funds which as the
statements demonstrate shall be required to fund the current operation in Pakistan. Your business
plan states that the company requires £70,000 for the proposed branch in the UK. Given that your
company used £140,005.00 in the last statement to continue its operation and does not currently
hold funds greater than this within the account I am not satisfied that the UK branch is financially
viable for the business. You were asked in your interview what profit the company made in the last
year, you advised 18,000,000.00 PKR before tax, corporation tax in Pakistan is 31%, based on your
figures your company made 12,420,000 PKR (£61,693.50) in 2018 after tax, this is less than
£70,000.00 so I’m satisfied that the company cannot finance the branch via retained earnings. In
short I am not satisfied the branch is financially viable as the funds in the business account shall be
required by the current operation in Pakistan, as demonstrated by the behavioural pattern within the
bank statements you provided. As I am not satisfied the business can afford to funds the branch as
proposed, I am not satisfied that you intend to enter the UK to be employed full time as a
representative of XXX.
Paragraph 144(v) states applicants must meet the following requirements:
“(v) does not intend to take employment except within the terms of this paragraph”
As I am not satisfied that you intend to enter the UK to be employed full time as a representative of
XXXXX, I am also not satisfied that you intend to take employment except within paragraph
144 of the immigration rules.
Given the above, I have refused your visa application on this occasion because I am not satisfied
that you meet all of the requirements of paragraph 144 of the Immigration Rules.

[Asif Aziz]

How much ECO spend time on so big calculation, i think he had nothing to do except pulling worms.Have you submit the two years finical accounts then don't worry . If You submit accounts of the company for two years then can easily define and argue instead of wrong bank calculation , Because business does't specific amount comes in bank account and out.contact me at email address removed by moderator. Eco works all around on bank statement which is not sufficient to formulate the whole application.

[Waseem03]

How much ECO spend time on so big calculation, i think he had nothing to do except pulling worms.Have you submit the two years finical accounts then don't worry . If You submit accounts of the company for two years then can easily define and argue instead of wrong bank calculation , Because business does't specific amount comes in bank account and out.contact me at email address removed by moderator. Eco works all around on bank statement which is not sufficient to formulate the whole application.

@ asif,
when i submit fresh application ,i attached 3yrs financial , along with note to accounts, but eco only check bank statemnt .

[shahdab]

What Documents you have submitted sir?

I am also in the process of Sole rep visa.

You have done this process by yourself or any agent??

[shahdab]

@Asif
I need you help in business plan and documents checklist.

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[CR001]

@Asif
I need you help in business plan and documents checklist.

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[shahdab]

@Asif
I need you help in business plan and documents checklist.

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I am strucked at documentation....i need help seroiusly

[CR001]

@Asif
I need you help in business plan and documents checklist.

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I am strucked at documentation....i need help seroiusly

Post your question on the forum and do not ask members to contact you. Every one on the forum is a complete stranger and we have many scammers and spammers here. The visa webpages and guidances notes by UKVI are very clear on what is required.