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I'm not sure I fully understand - have you lost your Cuban citizenship by virtue of staying away for more than a year?Rudgbet wrote:l am a cuban citizen who had overstayed my visitos visa in the UK, now owing to the current UK immigration issues l have decided to go back home, but now my embassy is telling me l can not go because l have stay out of cuba more than a year
means illegal in UK and also my country will not take me.
what should l do and will UK grant me resident permit to work
l am qualified Nurse and civil engineer
thanks
Rudgbet wrote:l am a cuban citizen who had overstayed my visitos visa in the UK, now owing to the current UK immigration issues l have decided to go back home, but now my embassy is telling me l can not go because l have stay out of cuba more than a year
means illegal in UK and also my country will not take me.
what should l do and will UK grant me resident permit to work
l am qualified Nurse and civil engineer
thanks
Rudgbet wrote:l am a cuban citizen who had overstayed my visitos visa in the UK, now owing to the current UK immigration issues l have decided to go back home, but now my embassy is telling me l can not go because l have stay out of cuba more than a year
means illegal in UK and also my country will not take me.
if cubans national overstay him/her authorised permit outside cuba for 1 year it will be in violation of cuban immigration law
what should l do and will UK grant me resident permit to work
l am qualified Nurse and civil engineer
thanks
Knowing the UK, they'll tell him to return & risk prosecution. They will simply say he has committed an offence & therefore will probably return him to serve time. Cynical, aren't I?tasha75 wrote:Now in view of the above, how could the UK remove the person if the cubans will not accept him?
You are probably right. I found an AIT appeal of one cuban, who overstayed and then claimed asylum in the UK. He was also in disagreement with the cuban authorities back home and in opposition of the Castro regime.Thandia wrote:tasha75 wrote:
Knowing the UK, they'll tell him to return & risk prosecution. They will simply say he has committed an offence & therefore will probably return him to serve time. Cynical, aren't I? "
tasha75 wrote:Thandia wrote:You are probably right. I found an AIT appeal of one cuban, who overstayed and then claimed asylum in the UK. He was also in disagreement with the cuban authorities back home and in opposition of the Castro regime.tasha75 wrote:
Knowing the UK, they'll tell him to return & risk prosecution. They will simply say he has committed an offence & therefore will probably return him to serve time. Cynical, aren't I? "
We do not wish to underestimate the difficulties that the claimant would have if he were to return to Cuba, because plainly life would be difficult and perhaps unpleasant for a while. He might be under government surveillance. He might very well find it difficult, if not almost impossible to obtain a job, but we have had no material placed before us that indicates that he would be likely to be arrested or persecuted. Mr Allen is of the view that the Cuban authorities would dismiss him from his employment as being politically unreliable and would assign him to a work battalion as a field hand, presumably for some particular period of time. They might place him in a detention facility until he could obtain housing and he would be monitored by the neighbourhood CDR once he returned to the community. Even if all this is true we cannot see that it amounts to persecution albeit it amounts to treatment by an oppressive state of the type that would be entirely unacceptable in Europe.
Yet his appeal was dismissed.
http://www.ait.gov.uk/Public/Upload/j89 ... uba_cg.doc
And then there was a terrorist (can't remember his name) who could not be deported back to the Middle East because he would face persecution.
Don't we all learn something new every day?jei2 wrote:Well tasha, you've just proved for me the old adage that you learn something every day so thanks.
He'll be probably left in limbo until either UK or Cuban authorities take a pity on him.So I can't see this government rewarding it with a work permit.
Cuban physicist Juan López Linares traveled with his wife to Italy in 1997 to participate in a training course at the International Center for Theoretical Physics in Trieste. When the course ended, he sought and was denied permission from the Cuban consulate in Milan to continue studies outside of Cuba. The Cuban consular official warned him that, if he did not return to Cuba, he would be formally classified as a “deserterâ€
Don't know about staying in the UK but according to this example the children could go to Cuba.jei2 wrote: I'd be interested to know what the position of a UK born dependant of a Cuban overstayer would be vis a vis either staying in the UK or emigrating to Cuba. .
.... when she sought permission to visit her son and grandchildren in Argentina, she was told she could not leave the island because her own brain was “the property of the government of Cuba.â€
They were allowed at the time of application. Now (because of overstaying) they are not. I was not saying whether they should or shouldn't be granted ILR. I was curious myself as to what would happen if the Home Office will try to remove them and the Cubans will not allow admission?adindas wrote:How could they get visitor VISA if they were not allowed to return to their home country?
They would be able, but how many would actually choose to overstay if as a result you may not see your family for many many years, if at all.Almost everybody will be able to overstay for 1 year are not they.
Well, all I can say is that if you've never lived in a totalitarian state it will be difficult for you to believe.People could make up the story but whether people will believe it without strong evidence is another thing.
Talking to myselftasha75 wrote:I was curious myself as to what would happen if the Home Office will try to remove them and the Cubans will not allow admission?
And the whole process of travelling abroad for those who like me became interested.
A Cuban that tries to return to Cuba without a valid PVE (a goverment permit that allows exit/return) in his passport will actually be refused by international airlines as they are held liable for the cost if they allow people with an invalid PVE on the plane. The risk is that the person is not allowed to enter Cuba.
http://www.cubaverdad.net/freedom_of_movement.htm
Does this mean that Cubans are totally unable to travel? No. Cubans travel on official missions and can travel privately given a government permit. These permits are referred to as the PVE (Permiso de Viaje al Extranjero) commonly referred to as the "carta blanca".
The process starts with a "carta de invitación", an invitation to a Cuban by a foreign national (resident). This invitation needs to be made in a Cuban consulate (abroad) and can no longer be made at a "consultarÃa jurÃdica internacional" in Cuba since May 2007. In this "letter" the foreigner formally invites the Cuban to visit him or her in his country. After getting a passport the Cuban can then apply for the PVE. The PVE is authorized (or not) based on the information the governments holds about the person. A criminal record, bad marks in the permanent record for any form of civil disobedience, a bad CDR report, relatives that are involved in dissident activities, to be "bajo de FAR" (of age to be called up for military service, but not having performed it yet) which means basically from 16 onwards, to be "too young" and even a further education (medical doctors) are common reasons to refuse the permit to travel. There is no formal way to appeal the decision. It is basically up to the government to allow or disallow travel. The PVE allows a stay abroad of up to 11 months. The whole cost of the process (invitation - passport - PVE) is over U$ 600.
Note that this includes the PVE for one month. For each additional month (up to a total of 11) an extra fee needs to be paid. A Cuban that tries to return to Cuba without a valid PVE (with paid extensions) in his passport will actually be refused by international airlines as they are held liable for the cost if they allow people with an invalid PVE on the plane. The risk is that the person is not allowed to enter Cuba
tasha75 wrote:Well, all I can say is that if you've never lived in a totalitarian state it will be difficult for you to believe.People could make up the story but whether people will believe it without strong evidence is another thing.