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INIS does not always get things right and hence why they get beaten up in court.UK245 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:22 amLet me guess....you didn't actually live together, you broke up but didn't inform INIS, you got divorced and didn't tell INIS...you got your Irish passport without telling them that you were not with your wife...
Is your exwife eastern european by any chance?
In a nutshell, INIS don't make a judgement on a MoC unless they have you bang to rights. You're losing your passport and your residence permission and eventually, you'll be deported.
No one on a forum, with little facts or evidence can reach that conclusion.
I have a question for you.CroUK wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:32 pmHi there,
Why should Eu citizens be responsible for the marriage of convience? We don't need any visa etc to work in Ireland, only if you are a threat to the state, you can be banned from the entrance or deported (murderers, criminals etc, the marriage of convenience would never make anyone who got the Irish citizenship from EU to lose it).
We did not live together its true but we had relation. we are in relationship since 2006 and got married in 2011.we have photos from every year and i submitted all of them. even though she visited my india 2018 and meet with my families. when she come back she go back her country and asking for divorce. And i ask Divorce lawyer he told me u need 4 years separation out of five to do divorce . i told him we was travel together to my home 2018 February.He told me u can be still separated staying under same roof.then i put back date and did my divorce. before divorce i dont had any plan to do divorce so how i can let them know??UK245 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:22 amLet me guess....you didn't actually live together, you broke up but didn't inform INIS, you got divorced and didn't tell INIS...you got your Irish passport without telling them that you were not with your wife...
Is your exwife eastern european by any chance?
In a nutshell, INIS don't make a judgement on a MoC unless they have you bang to rights. You're losing your passport and your residence permission and eventually, you'll be deported.
Prepare bills with both names, correspondence (emails/chat), photos, testimonies of friends and family (yours and hers), neighbours, service providers... etc. You need to show that at one point you were living together and known to form a couple. i submitted all of them . but it is true that she was not living ireland permanently.it was kind of distance relationship.but relationship was true.Zerubbabel wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 8:41 pmHello
This is a serious case. They don't question a citizenship just like that. I don't say they are right, but they must hold some serious things to build a case against you especially with the history you just described. Sometimes they can even receive a tip about a real or supposed immigration offence and they act upon it.
From your post, I understand:
- You came to Ireland in 2005 to study
- You married in 2012
- Your wife worked a few weeks in Ireland in order to be in position to sponsor you. I gather she worked just the time to get a proof of employment/revenue to use for your immigration application
- She was absent for months at a time (from the house or from Ireland?)
- You obtained an Irish citizenship in Jan 2019 and got a divorce 5 months later. When did you start the divorce? Did you start it after 5 months or was it pronounced 5 months after your citizenship?
- Then (When?) you went to India to bring a new wife and the INIS contacted you
You need to prepare documentation in order to fight back the claim of marriage of convenience. If you genuinely married, lived as a couple then things went wrong between you, that's not a marriage of convenience. It can happen to anyone. Prepare bills with both names, correspondence (emails/chat), photos, testimonies of friends and family (yours and hers), neighbours, service providers... etc. You need to show that at one point you were living together and known to form a couple.
In other hand, if:
- You never lived together
- She didn't live in Ireland save for a few weeks where she worked
- Everything was built just to get the citizenship
Then, it will be hard to fight back; not impossible, but still very hard and there is a risk that you lose the Irish citizenship.
In any case, I recommend you take a solicitor specialised in immigration litigation. Don't take anyone but find a senior one used to complex cases as this may go in front of a court if you decide to fight it.
Thanks for your suggestion. But what is true is true. we had distance relationship.we had relationship since 2006 and get married 2011. and 2019 i got passport. Middle of 2019 we got divorced . and that makes complicacy.I submitted all my documents but if they digging it will be easy for them to find out she was not living with me all the times .nojoyfrominis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 09, 2020 1:04 pmYou need to get a good solicitor. Provide as many docs as possible proving your relationship. Do not agree that you were not living together. In fact you should not reply directly to inis. Let all communication go through your solicitor. Revoking citizenship will not be easy for government unless you give them any proof that your marriage was sham. The onus is on applicants for visa purposes to prove marriage is real but you have been granted citizenship. So onus is now on them to prove marriage was of convenience. They won’t be able to revoke unless they can prove it