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My solicitor just asked me to provide proof as much as i can. And i gave them. she just submitted the documents with an appeal letter.nojoyfrominis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:33 pmThat is why you need a good solicitor. You broke the terms of your Eufam visa. It is sufficient to revoke visa but revoking citizenship is not that easy. Example: you said you are from India and India do not allow dual citizenship. So if you have surrendered your Indian citizenship, revoking your Irish citizenship will make you stateless.
Let the solicitor handle as your case seems very complex.
Are you seriously expecting a detailed description of the process?Rupaireland wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:53 pmi am just wondering if they are not happy with all of my documents ..what next can be happen? i mean what is the procedure to revoke ?
Did they revoke your citizenship already or are you fighting it?appeal letter
Rupaireland wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:53 pmMy solicitor just asked me to provide proof as much as i can. And i gave them. she just submitted the documents with an appeal letter.nojoyfrominis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:33 pmThat is why you need a good solicitor. You broke the terms of your Eufam visa. It is sufficient to revoke visa but revoking citizenship is not that easy. Example: you said you are from India and India do not allow dual citizenship. So if you have surrendered your Indian citizenship, revoking your Irish citizenship will make you stateless.
Let the solicitor handle as your case seems very complex.
i am just wondering if they are not happy with all of my documents ..what next can be happen? i mean what is the procedure to revoke ?
Try to help him in the public forum please. 1-2-1 and phone contacts rarely end up well.Finepaddy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:32 pmRupaireland wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:53 pmMy solicitor just asked me to provide proof as much as i can. And i gave them. she just submitted the documents with an appeal letter.nojoyfrominis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:33 pmThat is why you need a good solicitor. You broke the terms of your Eufam visa. It is sufficient to revoke visa but revoking citizenship is not that easy. Example: you said you are from India and India do not allow dual citizenship. So if you have surrendered your Indian citizenship, revoking your Irish citizenship will make you stateless.
Let the solicitor handle as your case seems very complex.
i am just wondering if they are not happy with all of my documents ..what next can be happen? i mean what is the procedure to revoke ?
If u want I can help you but not sure how u can reach me as they won't let me put my mobile number.
Don't worry they won't revoke your citizenship soon as that will be long process and it can be done only through tribunal/commission and no matter what they have against you.every thing has to goes in front of tribunal and they will provide you chance to explain and then they will decide.
Don't expect he will share his personal details on public forum.Zerubbabel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:35 pmTry to help him in the public forum please. 1-2-1 and phone contacts rarely end up well.Finepaddy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:32 pmRupaireland wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:53 pmMy solicitor just asked me to provide proof as much as i can. And i gave them. she just submitted the documents with an appeal letter.nojoyfrominis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:33 pmThat is why you need a good solicitor. You broke the terms of your Eufam visa. It is sufficient to revoke visa but revoking citizenship is not that easy. Example: you said you are from India and India do not allow dual citizenship. So if you have surrendered your Indian citizenship, revoking your Irish citizenship will make you stateless.
Let the solicitor handle as your case seems very complex.
i am just wondering if they are not happy with all of my documents ..what next can be happen? i mean what is the procedure to revoke ?
If u want I can help you but not sure how u can reach me as they won't let me put my mobile number.
Don't worry they won't revoke your citizenship soon as that will be long process and it can be done only through tribunal/commission and no matter what they have against you.every thing has to goes in front of tribunal and they will provide you chance to explain and then they will decide.
As i told you earlier we had a real relationship and real marriage but she did not live here permanently and worked here. But i did not put any false information to get visa as long as she worked i gave them that documents,she never took any benefits from this country. we visited lots of countries together during 12 years of relationship.my fault is she did not full fill eu treaty right in this country. but how i can let inin know that she left ireland permanently and never come back to me. we visited together 2018 to my country to visit my family. and till that time we had no plan for divorce. so in their hand they have proof that i did not full fill EU treaty right and i have proof that my relationship was not fake.i hope u get me now. thanksailA2019 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 4:57 pmsorry , I don't mean to offend you, I won't say they are right, I just speak in general,
but I don't think the minister will revoke citizenship without strong evidence.
Unfortunately, because of some case like that. we LIVE years in limbo.
therefore the department believes all applicants are deceitful unless proven otherwise. A result the cases took a very long time in citizenship approval and especially more for some nationalities.
however, anyone has misrepresentation whether innocent or fraudulent, or concealment of material facts or circumstances, or have failed in his duty of fidelity to the nation and loyalty to the State
should not be tolerated and must be revoked and Deport with no exception and that will be deterrent to any other and also will contribute to Sort the good people quickly and complete their processing.
finally, We might think that giving advice might be the best way to help but we shouldn't give advice without knowing full details into a case.
One just need to be careful as the OP has denied he is guilty of what he has been accused of. Call me old fashion, but i believe that a person is entitled to due process and that the view of the executive is not always correct.Zerubbabel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:34 pmVery interesting case from the legal point of view.
If this gentleman keeps the Irish citizenship, it means anyone who can fraud his way through an Irish naturalisation, can keep it forever.
In other hand, as he lost his Indian citizenship, it will be very difficult for them to take away the Irish one.
I think the key here is that they did a very poor job in checking the application during the naturalisation process and they are trying to do a damage control now. More especially his move to forge his EEA sponsor tax documents was bold; suicidal really. Anything regarding taxes is kept on databases available to authorities. Just a single cross-check could've revealed the fraud.
In cases of fraud it is easy to revoke Irish Citizens and the committee provided for under section 19, will have no difficulty so recommending.griffith wrote: ↑Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:43 pmThe person who i am referring to is a Pakistan citizen holding dual irish nationality.
Minister provided evidence of his first wife's residence in Latvia while he had shown that she was exercising her treaty rights in Ireland with forged but registered jobs.
Clearly the minister had sufficient documents to revoke his naturalisation certificate but they did not. ( Here i wonder why)
Say if he does loose his nationality he wouldn't be stateless as he is a dual national.
But on the other hand the minister did not even reply to the letter and no explanation given whatsoever. Maybe because its not that easy to cancel someones passport who has a family and an irish born child unless the minister drags this person to the court in order to pursue the case further and subsequently cancel his nationality. Not sure what stopped them doing so.
I personally dont think its that easy to cancel someones nationality unless they are a threat to the state !!!
If marriages of convenience are not checked at the time of naturalisation or further residency permissions than they are checked at some stage for instance if the same person re- marry and apply their spousal visa on their behalf. At this stage previous marriages are checked.
Worst case scenario, if the minister does decides to cancel the passport of an indian who does not hold a second passport what if they leave the state and settle in any other member state before all this happens?
Eu citizen left Ireland...Zerubbabel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:26 pmDid they revoke your citizenship already or are you fighting it?appeal letter
Technically, you were illegally resident in Ireland before your naturalisation. As your EEA citizen left Ireland and wasn't exercising Treaty Rights, you had no ground to live in Ireland. But they missed that during your naturalisation application. I think it will be hard for them to fix it now and remove the already granted citizenship.
Did you give back your Indian passport?