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I would personally assume you would have to show them you received some sort of money from them so it counts as a proof, as you would need to physically go to the post office to collect this money, meaning you were present there. For example, I never got any welfare, my page is blank, so from the point of view of a civil servant, how will that help to prove I am a resident here?Latium wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:10 pmFor the department of social protection annual statement - must there be payments to me in order for it to be valid, or could it be blank. I have to do more research on this one. I took the pup in 2020 for 2 months so that's the only thing I have from them for any year.
Looking around here, before the scorecard broadband with your name/address was fine combined with other utilities, not sure what's the status of it as of today. Same goes for the bins.
meself2 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:35 pmHey! These are my suggestions, as I just applied recently, so can't be sure in any of that, unfortunately. Nevertheless, hope it helps!
I would personally assume you would have to show them you received some sort of money from them so it counts as a proof, as you would need to physically go to the post office to collect this money, meaning you were present there. For example, I never got any welfare, my page is blank, so from the point of view of a civil servant, how will that help to prove I am a resident here?Latium wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:10 pmFor the department of social protection annual statement - must there be payments to me in order for it to be valid, or could it be blank. I have to do more research on this one. I took the pup in 2020 for 2 months so that's the only thing I have from them for any year.
Looking around here, before the scorecard broadband with your name/address was fine combined with other utilities, not sure what's the status of it as of today. Same goes for the bins.
|You can always try and contact Citizensip directly with these questions.
I would agree Scorecard approach still needs a lot of improvement, but that is currently what we have to work with.
Good question. Can you obtain these same P60 forms with an address? If not, I'd write a cover letter that it is all you can give in terms of P60S and submit it as is. You can also submit both EDS and P60s for safety sake.OneWorld2122 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:40 pmIf p60 don’t contains address in it, will it still be counted as residency proof with 60 points ? Any idea ?
Earlier lot of employers provide p60 with no address only mentioned on it ( I know employment summary contains address)
Both are available I guess, I've seen people coming in and signing for their welfare payments in my local post office. On their website it sates that welfare can allow or not allow it, so might be for people who get it paid into your account there are other ways to check their residency.
A rental agreement on its own is a legally binding document and so, in theory, it should be enough to prove lawful tenancy and residency of someone applying for citizenship. There is no legal requirement from the tenant's side to register with RTB - that's the landlord's issue - and there is no legal penalty for the tenant either.kaifushn1k wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:45 pmPerhaps someone could clarify their interpretation of what's required under a Rent agreement registered with the local authority / AHB / PTB please as part of this scoreboard system. Would a simple rental agreement cosigned by you and the management company do in this case? If so how can one show that the lease was in effect for multiple years? If say you lived in the same place for 4 years you would likely only have one rental agreement signed at the very start with no indication of how long you stated at that place
Latium wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:10 pmFor the department of social protection annual statement - must there be payments to me in order for it to be valid, or could it be blank. I have to do more research on this one. I took the pup in 2020 for 2 months so that's the only thing I have from them for any year.
I got the following answer from Citizenship Info helpline. Now not sure if a Welfare statement showing zero payments is still a valid proof or not. If someone could enquire and post a response, we would have closure.
Thank you for your email.
All utility bills are acceptable proofs for residency one your name and
address are present on the bill.
1) Statement of contributions 2) Statement of Payments. Are both valid
proofs of residency
Regards
Citizenship Helpdesk
Team 4
I should think that Welfare will have a record of a change of address (the one that someone requests in order to update a previous one), and so INIS will be able to check this if they want. At the end of the day, whatever payment you take will either be from a post office (from where you can keep receipts) or will go directly into your bank account (of which you need to provide bank account statements for anyway). I think the statement is also to check if what you say, actually matches the records.naanikarum wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:30 amYes, That's my understanding as well regarding the Welfare statements. A statement showing no payments is still a statement.
But one question that the Citizenship info helpline didn't answer is "If we generate the welfare statements for a particular period, it shows the current address and not the address in the welfare records during that period (Assuming you moved houses). Are these statements still acceptable as proof of address/residency for that period?". To be fair, not many would have heard of these statements until they figured in the Scorecard. So chances are high that people are generating these statements for the first time. (They are not auto-generated at the end of the year).
I was too lazy to update my address on GP bills and Dentist bill, so I told her if those would be okay and I think she preferred to choose electric bill, internet bill with my up to date address on it. I don't know which documents she picked but when I mentioned her about those ones with old address she wasn't keen. And yes I had tenancy agreements & previous address proofs showing that I lived at that address. I think she was just aiming for the smoothest application process so she didn't want to risk it. I gave her a big folder with documents in it and she sorted it all out by herself.Nala2021 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:36 pmI'm confused about your solicitor having an issue with official GP letters that stated your previous address. Were you needing to use these for the purpose of covering the 5 years in the citizenship application? What would be the issue with that? You would have a rental agreement, or mortgage statement or whatever, that would corroborate the address information on the GP, in order to cover the dates/years needed. This is as if your solicitor is saying that not only you need to be here for 5 years before applying, but you better stay in the same house, location, road and county throughout.
I believe it is irrelevant whether they are originally Irish or are Irish through naturalisation. However having an Irish person through birth as a referee may show a good level of integration into the society but It’s just an assumption from me.jowatosath wrote: ↑Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:14 pmHi,
I'm sorry if this question is off-topic but the last forum on references was already locked and I couldn't find any other open topic on references.
I know applicants are required to provide 3 Irish citizens as references. I wonder if those references should be Irish citizens by birth or can you provide naturalised Irish citizens (having a different nationality originally before becoming naturalised Irish citizens)?
Thanks for your help.
So I don't understand how a statement with zero payments is sufficient proof of residency. To test this idea, I just requested my partner's Payment Statement for a a period before he come to Ireland. I received it seconds later. The Payment Statement for the year he was *not* in Ireland is exactly the same as the Payment Statement for any of the years he was resident in Ireland and made zero payments.Nala2021 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:29 pmA statement is a statement. A statement officially expresses information - which would reasonably mean that whether it is expressing a €0 payment per year, or €30,000 payment per year, it should stand for what it is. At the end of the day, INIS will ask for a statement of welfare payments in order to check. At that point, they do not know, beforehand, whether it will state €0 or not. Therefore, this shows that a statement will be of value either way.