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As an American citizen there is no visa to apply. Once/if they marry, they just need to make an appointment with their local immigration officer and present their passports, marriage certificate and if I recall correctly, proof of joined residency. The application is only for spouses joining from Visa required countries.handoubleu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:32 pmMy friend and her partner have been together for over 3 years now - she's non-EEA national and he's Irish. We were looking at if they decided to get married if that would be better than renewing her current permission since she would be moved to a Stamp 4 (as my understanding). Upon looking at the immigration website for what would be needed we noted that they explicitly state in their FAQ that if you have been convinced of a criminal offense you will not be granted a Spouse of Irish National permission. The application itself requests you disclose ANY criminal offense so we believe that she would need to disclose her traffic offenses from abroad and her being caught/"convicted" of having alcohol before legal age (we are both American so legal age there is 21 yr old despite the legal age being 18 in Ireland). Has anyone been denied a partner/de facto/spouse permission based on such minor/traffic criminal offenses? When I reviewed the policy document provided by the website it states that criminal offenses can be given considerable weight in an application, but do not mean the applicant will be absolutely denied. Due to this, I was surprised that the FAQ for the permission said you would automatically be denied.
Link attached for reference:
FAQ
https://www.irishimmigration.ie/my-situ ... heme/#faqs
Policy Document - page 25
https://www.irishimmigration.ie/wp-cont ... cation.pdf
Yes, it would be naive to think that the record was removed completely and make a false statement on the application. Just attach a brief explanation, if they want to check they will see that the offence took place long time ago and fine was paid. Far better that not disclosing.
This is our experience also. We were married before my husband came to Ireland so we just told them immigration officer in Dublin airport and he told us to go register. We registered with the local Garda Station and they looked for our marriage cert, proof of joint address, passports and took his picture and that was it.
As an American citizen there is no visa to apply. Once/if they marry, they just need to make an appointment with their local immigration officer and present their passports, marriage certificate and if I recall correctly, proof of joined residency. The application is only for spouses joining from Visa required countries.
I speak from experience as a US citizen married to an Irish citizen. We went in, spoke briefly. She took my picture and once my new IRP card arrived, I got my stamp 4. Easy peasy.
Vorona wrote: ↑Tue Apr 26, 2022 3:28 pmI can only share my experience from years ago. As a former US citizen, I was on a de-facto permission for the first few years before getting married to my Irish husband, I had a couple of traffic offences/fines in the US when I was living there. I remember they've asked me for a police certificate when I was applying for de-facto permission, but it was not a requirement years later when we got married. That was years ago, but I don't think things changed much in that regard. If they ask, she will need to get the documents from an embassy or have them ready. I would not worry much about it, unless of course your friend committed very serious crimes and been imprisoned, then it's a different story. I'd say she's running a risk of being rejected for not disclosing her offences rather than for committing them.
We didn’t have to fill out any forms or paperwork. Made an appointment, showed proof of marriage cert and joint address and that was it! Would’ve been in and out on 5-10 minutes but was having the craic with our officerMunster27 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 27, 2022 11:16 pm@nmurph and@luxurylemon
At your first registration as non-visa required national spouse of Irish national, did you fill out a form? I have heard that some do and have to answer a question on whether or not the parties have ever been married before. No conviction questions though. Then others don't seem to have any form given to them; they just show the marriage cert and docs you mention, get fingerprinted and have the photo taken.
Can you let me know?
Thanks a million.