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It would not allow anyone to "sidestep immigration law", if some imagination was used.rte.ie wrote:To Ireland, Denmark and a number of other countries, the so called Metock Case effectively allowed non-EU nationals to sidestep immigration law, simply by marrying non-Irish EU citizens - mostly people from Eastern Europe.
Presumably you mean on a one-off basis, either when the marriage is first contracted or (perhaps) when it becomes of relevance to matter of EU immigration? I don't think we'd want to live in a society where marriages were repeatedly coming under state-sanctioned scrutiny in that sort of way...ca.funke wrote:... In order to filter the shams they should demand a history of the relation, photos, testimonials of friends, whatever - use your imagination here.
Where this gives reason to become suspicious, the couple should go under investigation by plain clothes' officers for a while. Are they leaving the same house in the morning? Are they appearing at the same house in the evenings? Stuff like that to make sure ...
I don't think that's a big deal if it is pertinent to immigration matters. A foreign national allowed residency in a foreign country should expect some amount of scrutiny.I don't think we'd want to live in a society where marriages were repeatedly coming under state-sanctioned scrutiny in that sort of way.
I think we should let RTE know about their shoddy analysis that implies that all 4,600 marriages are scam marriages.The Department has given figures to its European counterparts that show 4,600 non-EU nationals may have married non-Irish EU citizens in order to exploit a loophole in an EU directive on the free movement of people.
Some 30% of the residency applicants were either failed asylum seekers or students who had outstayed their visas.
- 4,600 non-EU nationals have applied for residence in Ireland - because they had married EU citizens - since the directive was introduced
POOR, young Latvian women are being lured to Ireland with promises of up to €10,000 to "marry" illegal immigrants here, men mainly from Pakistan, most of whom are believed to have wives back in their home countries.
Adverts have been placed in Latvia and, it is believed other Baltic states, seeking women to come to Ireland to marry illegal immigrants over the past two years.
One advert in Latvia stated: "Young unmarried women wanted. Women who would agree to help Indian guys in Dublin with registering marriage on paper (fictitious marriage, popular in Dublin nowadays).
"Everything will be covered, plus you get €1,000, plus room rent covered, plus work offered, plus pocket money, plus course (professional, language) plus other benefits. Also plane ticket costs will be covered. All this is legal!."
Although the advert claimed that "Indian" men were involved, investigations into such marriages by the Garda National Bureau of Investigation (GNIB) found that those involved are all from Pakistan.
A journalist from Latvian newspaper Diena who posed as a possible bride, replied by email to the advert and received a reply stating: "When arriving in Ireland this marriage is not registered right away but only after 3-6 months not earlier, because in Ireland all 'paper formalities' take very long time and after you have submitted an application you must wait for another 3-6 months until that marriage.
[/quote]archigabe wrote:I don't think that's a big deal if it is pertinent to immigration matters. A foreign national allowed residency in a foreign country should expect some amount of scrutiny.I don't think we'd want to live in a society where marriages were repeatedly coming under state-sanctioned scrutiny in that sort of way.
I agree that it shouldn't happen "repeatedly", but I wouldn't mind undergoing some scrutiny. Of course any possible scrutiny would have to be a bit annoying/intrusive, that's (unfortunately) unavoidable. I wouldn't mind having my house watched, so it can be seen that we come and leave together a lot, and stay in the same place overnight.Christophe wrote:I don't think we'd want to live in a society where marriages were repeatedly coming under state-sanctioned scrutiny in that sort of way...
That's exactly what I mean and agree to. Given the stress we were exposed to (speaking for myself here), I wouldn't mind a policemen sleeping in our room in comparison. That would have been less stressful.archigabe wrote:Well, I'm a foreign national in Ireland, and I don't mind some scrutiny if it helps me get my due rights in Ireland instead of being stuck in limbo like we were last year.
Such house-visits would, imho, help 2004/38/EC a great deal, as a sham marriage is not a marriage. Thus once proven "sham" it should be possible not to recognise the marriage, subsequently 2004/38/EC no longer applies, and the person in question could be sent home.First-Class Moron wrote:House visits must be undertaken, a bit like early morning visits. This does not help the directive 2004/38/EC.
There is no such thing as "citizenship by marriage" any more. Spouses of Irish citizens now have to become citizens by naturalisation.ca.funke wrote: Furthermore, I think citizenship awarded to new-arrivals through marriage should have one indefinite exclusion: Newly Irish (newly any-"EU-statelers") should never be able to pass on their nationality to someone else through marriage. This way, a full family cannot re-locate by sending one person first, and once the years passed get divorced and get the remainder over. Just another thought to be discussesd for details.
I fully agree with you Dr K, if it aint Asians, then its Africans. What about the greedy Europeans, or other Europeans who are involved in scam marriages in America, Canada, Japan, Australia etc and also vice versa.Dr. K wrote:People who are getting married on contract basis (fake) are doing wrong but this is not a time to point out any particular country people, i.e India, Pak or Bangla. American, African and others are also doing the same.
Women those involve in this are also fully responsible. Why they are making money.
Ex miniter of justice did so many negative things for Ireland.
TOUGHER LAWS aimed at clamping down on the growing trend of "sham marriages" will be tabled by Fine Gael in the Dáil.
This follows evidence which suggests that an EU law, which allows foreign nationals to apply for residency in Ireland on the basis that they have married an EU citizen from outside the State, is being exploited.
At least 4,600 such people applied for Irish residency in the past two years, including some 600 each from Nigeria and Pakistan, according to Department of Justice figures. A closer analysis of the figures shows unusually high rate of marriage between Latvians and immigrants from the Indian subcontinent.
For example, 10 per cent of all applications were from Latvians, and 50 per cent of them were married to Pakistani, Indian or Bangladeshi nationals.
Government officials say the figures are so statistically abnormal that they cannot have occurred by chance. Of 4,600 applications, 2,000 were turned down - but this has since been reversed following a European Court of Justice ruling in July.