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The usual advice and the rule of thumb is that every British Citizen should apply for and receive a British passport before exiting the UK. Whatever problems you encounter for not following that rule is entirely up to you.mapreader wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:14 pmThanks alterhase58 for your feedback.
If we travelled out of the UK and then return, we used to use the BRP for identification verification when re-enter.
In this situation (children registered as British citizens where BRP became redundant), and before obtainin the British passport, is there any document that can be used for re-entering UK? I gather the children already had a valid status to live in the UK. Hoping to avoid unnecessary issues at the immigration checkpoint.
Unfortunately, I think the issue does stem from a non-functioning government that doesn't enforce the rules properly.Ticktack wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:35 pmThe usual advice and the rule of thumb is that every British Citizen should apply for and receive a British passport before exiting the UK. Whatever problems you encounter for not following that rule is entirely up to you.mapreader wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 3:14 pmThanks alterhase58 for your feedback.
If we travelled out of the UK and then return, we used to use the BRP for identification verification when re-enter.
In this situation (children registered as British citizens where BRP became redundant), and before obtainin the British passport, is there any document that can be used for re-entering UK? I gather the children already had a valid status to live in the UK. Hoping to avoid unnecessary issues at the immigration checkpoint.
Most people don't see the UK as a country with rules, sadly.
It's simply seen as a place of residence. I don't understand why.
Can your children enter your country of origin without a passport? I believe the answer is no.
Same scenario happens here too. ILR BRP is now invalid. Why try to use an invalid document to enter the UK. It just shows blatant disregards to the rules.
I also believe that you were required to obtain a passport from your country of origin before you could exit. Same thing applies here in the United Kingdom.
The UK is just nice and flexible, but people intend on not just bending it to see how far it can go, they don't mind breaking it either.Unfortunately, I think the issue does stem from a non-functioning government that doesn't enforce the rules properly.
I get what you're saying 100%. Unfortunately, it's a half empty, half full scenario. It always depends on the perspective you're looking at it from.mapreader wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:08 pmThanks Ticktack for your feedback.
I understand the rules and I would very much like to obey them.
On the other hand, for a practical situation of citizenship application, which probably many applicants would encounter
. when applying for it it is uncertain how long it will take for the approval.
. so when there is need to travel out of the country (e.g. maybe a short trip to visit elderly family members) there is always consideration needed - it is ideal to wait for the result settled. But it would take an unknown period (best can be 2 months, worst can be 2 years). And with the result one need to apply for the passport which would take another 8 weeks.
- for adult there is still some leeway - as after the approval one can still schedule the ceremony within 3 months, and before that the ILR BRP is still valid. But it seems this is not the case for children.
- so for a family with kids, it is difficult to decide for travel need coming up after the citizenship application.
And the matter is worse with the pandemic in the last 2 years, where a lot of trips to see family members need to be held up.
What I want to say - I respect the rules, but the rules also impose difficult situation to some cases like above - where the persons involved had no intention to disregard the rule.
mapreader wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 7:08 pmThanks Ticktack for your feedback.
I understand the rules and I would very much like to obey them.
On the other hand, for a practical situation of citizenship application, which probably many applicants would encounter
. when applying for it it is uncertain how long it will take for the approval.
. so when there is need to travel out of the country (e.g. maybe a short trip to visit elderly family members) there is always consideration needed - it is ideal to wait for the result settled. But it would take an unknown period (best can be 2 months, worst can be 2 years). And with the result one need to apply for the passport which would take another 8 weeks.
- for adult there is still some leeway - as after the approval one can still schedule the ceremony within 3 months, and before that the ILR BRP is still valid. But it seems this is not the case for children.
- so for a family with kids, it is difficult to decide for travel need coming up after the citizenship application.
And the matter is worse with the pandemic in the last 2 years, where a lot of trips to see family members need to be held up.
What I want to say - I respect the rules, but the rules also impose difficult situation to some cases like above - where the persons involved had no intention to disregard the rule.
You might want to wait anyway if your family members are in Hong Kong (your flag), or China.
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/too ... 022-12-08/COVID spread fears grow as China unwinds zero-tolerance curbs.