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Yes, I am feeling better. Thanks to you! You’ve been a gem to this board posting everyday. I told said to god last night before bed. Thank you for helping me overcoming this first hurdle filling this appeal and thanks to that special person on this board who was there to help me throughout. The board has been rather silent lately and tbh, I wouldn’t have known how to properly prepare my argument without your help. Thank you again.marcidevpal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:15 pmYou must be feeling pretty good, then! I don't think it matters if it is perfect. I have seen barristers submit arguments with loads of typos. What matters is your submissions. I get the feeling you feel pretty good about your arguments. You seem to be quite confident. Congratulations, you did it!
I don’t fully understand, does this mean I should be charged NHS fee upon home office decision to reject my Zambrano application even though I am appealing?JB007 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:16 amThere is information about welfare benefits on the Hackney Law Centre siteWishfulgirl wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:12 pmI went as far as contacting Hackney law centre at the point of refusal & they just said to continue on appendix FM & watch for further steps the akinsanya case. Unfortunately for me I did not renew the leave to remain in April 2022.
https://hclc.org.uk/2021/06/zambrano-ca ... d-to-know/
The Fratila case was lost.Am I eligible for universal credit?
If you have limited leave to remain with no prohibition on recourse to public funds, then you are eligible for universal credit on the same terms as a British citizen. Making a Zambrano EUSS application does not affect this. If the Zambrano EUSS application is eventually granted (after the Home Office has reconsidered Appendix EU) and you are given ‘settled status’ because you have been a Zambrano carer for more than 5 years, then your eligibility for benefits will not change.
But, if you are eventually given only ‘pre-settled status’, this kind of leave to remain may not count as eligibility for universal credit. Under the current Universal Credit Regulations it does not count, but a case before the Supreme Court called Fratila may lead to a change in this law.
and in June 2022-If I make a Zambrano EUSS application, am I eligible for free NHS treatment
Yes. A person with a pending EUSS application is not chargeable for NHS treatment:
regulation 13A(1) of the NHS (Charges to Overseas Visitors) Regulations 2015 (as amended by S.I. 2020/1423). If the application is granted then any charges recovered for services from the date of the EUSS application must be repaid.
However, if the EUSS application is refused then charges must be made for services provided after the date of application (unless the person is exempt for another reason): reg 13A(4).
https://hclc.org.uk/2022/06/euss-zambra ... june-2022/
My understanding is that as long as your appeal remains active, your status before you appealed remains the same. Only when the appeal is exhausted or finished, does your status change. So, if you lose at the First-tier Tribunal and do not appeal, you could lose your access to benefits. If you lose at the First-tier Tribunal and appeal in time to the Upper Tribunal, your status remain the same. If you lose at both the First-tier Tribunal and the Upper Tribunal and take no action, you could lose your access to benefits. You want the Home Office to clarify what their position is on your benefits or for the Judge to clarify what should be done so you can maintain your benefits. If you appeal to the European Court of Justice if you lose in the First-tier Tribunal and Upper Tribunal, I am not sure what will happen with your status regarding your benefits. You may want to contact EU type organizations. If you appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, I am not sure what impact that has on your right to continue to access benefits. You may want to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights while you appeal to the First-tier Tribunal and Upper Tribunal. The UK Courts have declared they will not consider your human rights unless the Home Office give them permission. So, once the Home Office answers the question of whether the UK judges can consider your human rights, I am guessing you can go to the ECtHR. If the Home Office allows the UK judges to consider your human rights, you won't need to go to the ECtHR.
I think you almost have to mention your benefits. You may just want to add why you are a benefit to UK society - despite the fact you currently rely on benefits. Talk about your skills, or your hopes for the future. Perhaps you will become a human rights activist, or a nurse, or a teacher?You mentioned me being on benefits could be the weakest part of my argument? Is it best not mentioning it. I did state I am unable work due to my mental health condition and I am working with my mental team to support me better my condition so I can continue to be the best mom and eventually integrate back into society one day without mental health issues.
Unlike Batool, you were granted residence documentation.The case of Batool & Ors (other family members: EU exit) [2022] UKUT 219 (IAC) (19 July 2022), amongst other matters, effectively provides for the definition of family members and other (or extended) family members within the meaning of Article 2.2 and 3.2 of Directive 2004/38/EC when considering an EUSS appeal.
In particular, the fact that extended family members did not enjoy automatic residence rights under EU law and had to be the beneficiary of a positive exercise of discretion, recognised by the grant of residence documentation, is relevant to ascertaining the point from which they can establish they retain/preserve their rights of residence thus enabling them to rely upon the EU Settlement Scheme (“EUSS”).
Thank you I’ll include this. This might sound like a daft question, In your updated skeleton argument you posted earlier.marcidevpal wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:00 pmBatool
https://tribunalsdecisions.service.gov. ... ukut-00219
You should probably also do a paragraph on Batool. A lot of judges reference Batool
Unlike Batool, you were granted residence documentation.The case of Batool & Ors (other family members: EU exit) [2022] UKUT 219 (IAC) (19 July 2022), amongst other matters, effectively provides for the definition of family members and other (or extended) family members within the meaning of Article 2.2 and 3.2 of Directive 2004/38/EC when considering an EUSS appeal.
In particular, the fact that extended family members did not enjoy automatic residence rights under EU law and had to be the beneficiary of a positive exercise of discretion, recognised by the grant of residence documentation, is relevant to ascertaining the point from which they can establish they retain/preserve their rights of residence thus enabling them to rely upon the EU Settlement Scheme (“EUSS”).
Probably put it in submissionsWishfulgirl wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:13 pm“Regarding the batool case, do I include this under submission or case summary?
63. As is evident from the website, persons were told in plain terms that family members could apply as such for a family permit or under the EUSS. However, in order to apply under the EUSS, they must be a “close” family member. That was expressly contrasted with the “extended” family member, who could apply for an EEA family permit until 31 December 2020, but not under EUSS.
64. As we have seen from Article 10 of the Withdrawal Agreement, in order to fall within the scope of Part 2 (and, thus, Article 18) a person asserting to be an other family member must have “applied for facilitation of entry and residence before the end of the transition period”.
65. Although we have permitted the appellants to withdraw the concession made on their behalf in the First-tier Tribunal, it is plain from the above analysis that, notwithstanding the submissions now made on their behalf, the appellants simply do not fall within the terms of Appendix EU (FP). Those immigration rules give effect to the Withdrawal Agreement and the appellants are not family members within the scope of Article 18.1 of the Withdrawal Agreement.
My thoughts on Dereci91. We are in no doubt that Dereci does not have the effect for which the appellants contend, even if it somehow remains part of United Kingdom law for the purposes with which we are concerned. If the position were otherwise, Schedule 2 (appeals to the First-tier Tribunal) to the 2016 Regulations would have been framed so as to include, as a ground of appeal, that the decision under those Regulations was a violation of Article 8 of the ECHR. In fact, the judgment of the Court of Appeal in Amirteymour v SSHD [2017] EWCA Civ 353; [2017] Imm AR 1368 makes the appellants’ case untenable. There, the Court held that human rights could not constitute a ground of appeal under the 2006 Regulations (the predecessors of the 2016 Regulations), unless it had featured in a response to a section 120 notice (the “new matter” provisions not having come into being at that time).
In the present case, if the referring court considers, in the light of the circumstances of the disputes in the main proceedings, that the situation of the applicants in the main proceedings is covered by European Union law, it must examine whether the refusal of their right of residence undermines the right to respect for private and family life provided for in Article 7 of the Charter. On the other hand, if it takes the view that that situation is not covered by European Union law, it must undertake that examination in the light of Article 8(1) of the ECHR.
16. Permission to appeal was granted on the basis that the Judge had arguably erred in embarking on cross-examination, questioning in an aggressive manner and had descended into the arena.
17. The grounds of appeal also asserted that the First-tier Judge had erred by:
(i) Making adverse credibility findings about two witnesses when the respondent had not made adverse credibility submissions about them;
(ii) Relying on factual findings in another appeal, on which the evidence was not before her;
(iii) Placing an evidential burden on the appellant;
(iv) Making irrational and erroneous findings of fact;
(v) Giving inadequate reasons for her conclusions, and failing to consider material evidence; and
(vi) Making mistakes of fact.
18. Permission to appeal was granted on all grounds.
The Celik decision is used to stop judges from doing a balancing exercise. They should balance your request or permanent residence against society's best interests. Without Celik, the First-tier Tribunal judges must consider human rights.25. Mr Wilding submitted that Celik was wrongly decided: the Tribunal was not obliged to follow it and should decline to do so.
Thank you very much for this info. I’ve now completed and sent the updated version to the courts and officially to the home office.marcidevpal wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:10 amUpdated - Skeleton Argument & Human Rights
Skeleton Argument
[A] Case summary
[] Respondent's position
[C] Issues to be considered
[D] Legal framework
[E] Submissions
1. The appellant contends she is entitled to permanent residence under the EUSS as a Zambrano carer.....
2. The appellant also contends human rights should be a statutory ground upon which she can challenge the respondent’s decision. The United Kingdom is a member of the Council of Europe and a Contracting Party to the European Convention on Human Rights. Accordingly, a court or tribunal determining a question which has arisen in connection with a Convention right must take into account any judgment, decision, declaration or advisory opinion of the European Court of Human Rights, whenever made or given, so far as, in the opinion of the court or tribunal, it is relevant to the proceedings in which that question has arisen. The issue of her permanent residence is a question which concerns her Convention rights.
a.) The only basis upon which the First Tier Tribunal will currently allow an appeal against a decision refusing status under the EUSS is that the decision breaches a right under the Withdrawal Agreement or is not in accordance with the Immigration Rules. The Withdrawal Agreement stipulates that Union law is applicable to and in the United Kingdom. Union law directly includes international agreements, of which the ECHR is one. The Immigration Rules were deemed unlawful by the President of the Upper Tribunal in December 2022.
b.) The Human Rights Act requires the Court to interpret United Kingdom legislation so far as is possible and, in a manner compatible with Convention rights. The three main concepts relevant to the protection of human rights in the UK are: the presumption that Parliament does not intend to abridge fundamental rights— the principle of legality; the presumption that Parliament does not intend to legislate contrary to the United Kingdom's international obligations, including its obligations under international human rights instruments—the presumption of compatibility, and the statutory duty under section 3 of the Human Rights Act 1998 (HRA 1998) to read legislation in a way which is compatible with rights under the European Convention on Human Rights so far as it is possible to do so. The appellant requests the Court adopt a 'structured approach' to evaluate the possibility of her being successful outside the Rules, apply guidance from the Supreme Court decision in Agyarko v SSHD [2017] UKSC 11 at paragraph 53, consider all the factors relevant under section 117B and strike a fair balance between her individual rights and the public interest.
(i) In Oyoma v SSHD(2020), Upper Tribunal Judge Blundell reasoned if the appellant would be bound to be granted leave to remain on private life grounds if she made a further application to the respondent, that fact is plainly relevant to the assessment of proportionality. In this claim, the earliest the appellant could be granted permanent residence were she to follow the respondent's preferred route is in 20XX. Given that she has already resided in the UK for XX years, it is unreasonable to ask her to spend another XX years under a visa regime. Given that the appellant arrived in the UK in 20XX, she would have spent XX years in the UK by the time she became eligible for permanent residence, just XX years less than someone who had entered the UK illegally.
(ii) In Huang v SSHD (2007), the Appellate Committee (Lord Bingham of Cornhill, Lord Hoffmann, Baroness Hale of Richmond, Lord Carswell and Lord Brown of Eaton- under-Heywood) reasoned at paragraph 11, "These provisions, read purposively and in context, make it plain that the task of the appellate immigration authority, on an appeal on a Convention ground against a decision of the primary official decision-maker refusing leave to enter or remain in this country, is to decide whether the challenged decision is unlawful as incompatible with a Convention right or compatible and so lawful...It is not a secondary, reviewing, function dependent on establishing that the primary decision-maker misdirected himself or acted irrationally or was guilty of procedural impropriety...The appellate immigration authority must decide for itself whether the impugned decision is lawful and, if not, but only if not, reverse it....This is the decision reached by the Court of Appeal (Judge, Laws and Latham LJJ) in these conjoined appeals, and it is correct: [2005] EWCA Civ 105, [2006] QB 1."
c.) The European Court of Human Rights will expect the Court to conduct a balancing exercise as undertaken in related immigration cases:
(i)In Sudita Keita v Hungary (2020), the European Court of Human Rights was not satisfied that the State had complied with its positive obligation to provide an effective and accessible procedure, or combination of procedures, enabling the applicant to determine his status with due regard to his private-life interests, contrary to Article 8 ECHR. The current procedures made it generally impossible for him to regularise his status, which prevented him from living a normal private life for a fifteen-year-long period. As such, the applicant was deprived of basic entitlements.
(ii) In Hoti v. Croatia (2018), the Court held Croatia accountable for violating the Applicant’s right to private life by not providing effective and accessible procedures for the individual to determine his stay and status in the country and by not assessing the Applicant’s personal circumstances under Article 8 ECHR.
(iii) In Butt v Norway (2012), ECtHR were not convinced the authorities of the respondent State acted within their margin of appreciation when seeking to strike a fair balance between its public interest in ensuring effective immigration control, on the one hand, and the applicants’ interests in remaining in Norway in order to pursue their private and family life, on the other hand. The appellant contends the UK authorities have not acted within their margin or appreciation or balanced the public interest in refusing her application.
(iv) In Nunez v. Norway (2011), ECtHR examined whether regard to the children’s best interest would upset the fair balance under Article 8. The ruling emphasised children are indirectly protected under the Convention, even if they are not applicants in a case which concerns a parent. They considered relevant the children’s long lasting and close bonds to their mother, the decision in the custody proceedings, the disruption and stress that the children had already experienced and the long period that elapsed before the immigration authorities took to make their decision. The appellant is the only family member her son has in the UK, with whom he is in contact. Although he is an adult, and has some friends, he still requires support from a close family member. Without the presence of his mother in the UK, he will leave the country.
(v) In Rodrigues Da Silva and Hoogkamer v The Netherlands(2006), ECtHR reiterates that in order to meet both their positive and negative obligations, the State must strike a fair balance between the competing interests of the individual and of the community as a whole.
(vi) In Keegan v. the United Kingdom (2006), ECtHR says although national authorities enjoy a certain margin of appreciation in matters, an interference with rights guaranteed by Article 8 § 1 of the Convention can be regarded as being “necessary in a democratic society” only if it has been taken in order to respond to a pressing social need and if the means employed are proportionate to the aims pursued. The respondent has not indicated a pressing social need in her refusal.
(vii) In Tuquabo-Tekle v. Netherlands(2005), the European Court of Human Rights (“ECtHR”) reasoned Article 8 of the Convention imposed on the respondent State a positive obligation to allow the fifth applicant to reside in the Netherlands with the rest of her family.
(viii) In Buck v. Germany (2005). ECtHR says the reasons adduced to justify such measures must be relevant and there must be sufficient and adequate and effective safeguards against abuse. After approximately XX months, the respondent has yet to respond to the appellant’s application for Administrative Review. Apart from appealing to the First-tier Tribunal, the respondent has not instituted any effective safeguards for the appellant.
(ix) In Olsson v Sweden (1988), the notion of necessity implies that the interference corresponds to a pressing social need and, in particular, that it is proportionate to the legitimate aim pursued.
(x) In Berrehab v. The Netherlands (1987), the Strasbourg court held the impugned interferences did not pursue any of the legitimate aims listed in Article 8 § 2 (art. 8-2). It prevented Mr Berrehab from maintaining regular contacts with his daughter, did not promote the "economic well-being of the country”, did not achieve balance between the various interests involved (even though the disputed decisions were consistent with Dutch immigration-control policy and could therefore be regarded as having been taken for legitimate purposes such as the prevention of disorder and the protection of the rights and freedoms of others) and so therefore could not be considered "necessary in a democratic society".
(xi) In W v. the United Kingdom (1987), the Strasbourg Court held unanimously that a violation of Article 8 of the Convention occurred. Any interference must correspond to a pressing social need and, in particular, that it is proportionate to the legitimate aim pursued. There may in addition be positive obligations inherent in an effective "respect" for family life. In determining whether an interference is "necessary in a democratic society" or whether there has been breach of a positive obligation, the Court will take into account that a margin of appreciation is left to the Contracting States.
CONGRATULATIONS!!! You really did it! What a wonderful, vanglorious thing you just did. I hope you share your story of perseverance with your children. You basically just went through a crash course in UK, EU and International law. Fantastic.Wishfulgirl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:36 pmThank you very much for this info. I’ve now completed and sent the updated version to the courts and officially to the home office.
Previously when I forgot to send the home office my bundle back in august, it was honestly due to lack of knowledge and no experience regarding appeal etc. however due to such mistake and a non compliance from the courts in December. It has honestly given me the chance to prepare my bundle the right and professionally way, thanks to your help. looking back now at the information I sent within my appeal in august, it really didn’t include a lot of information and I really had no chance whatsoever. Within my previous skeleton argument, were no updated case laws regarding Zambrano, no mention of me being a EEA family member due to thinking it didn’t matter, no case law to back my arguments, no mention of why i have acquired 5 years a Zambrano carer, No evidence and witness statement within my bundle. Then…. I failed to send home office the bundle. Honestly it was a plane crash of a case and I was not in the frame of mind and lack the understanding, but I sent it to the court anyway. The courts probably would’ve thrown it out the case, not sure if i could call it a case. This is why forum like these are a god sent. Because without it, I really don’t know men… For anyone reading, please don’t be naive like me.
I am more confident with the Updated skeleton argument, witness statement and bundle I sent today as appose to one I thought I sent in august.
I guess it’s now a matter of waiting on the outcome. Regardless of the outcome, I gave it my best efforts & I’m willing to take it all the way. I can’t thank you enough Marcidevpal and thanks to the moderators who made this forum it has been very informative and helpful.
When I received the non- compliance email in December, I took it as a sign to forget the appeal and continue on appendix FM route. That was until, I decided to login on here and my view quickly changed. I decided I wasn’t gonna give up so easily. I knew I had to continue if not for anything else, at least do it for my children.
Thank you,marcidevpal wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:57 pmCONGRATULATIONS!!! You really did it! What a wonderful, vanglorious thing you just did. I hope you share your story of perseverance with your children. You basically just went through a crash course in UK, EU and International law. Fantastic.Wishfulgirl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:36 pmThank you very much for this info. I’ve now completed and sent the updated version to the courts and officially to the home office.
Previously when I forgot to send the home office my bundle back in august, it was honestly due to lack of knowledge and no experience regarding appeal etc. however due to such mistake and a non compliance from the courts in December. It has honestly given me the chance to prepare my bundle the right and professionally way, thanks to your help. looking back now at the information I sent within my appeal in august, it really didn’t include a lot of information and I really had no chance whatsoever. Within my previous skeleton argument, were no updated case laws regarding Zambrano, no mention of me being a EEA family member due to thinking it didn’t matter, no case law to back my arguments, no mention of why i have acquired 5 years a Zambrano carer, No evidence and witness statement within my bundle. Then…. I failed to send home office the bundle. Honestly it was a plane crash of a case and I was not in the frame of mind and lack the understanding, but I sent it to the court anyway. The courts probably would’ve thrown it out the case, not sure if i could call it a case. This is why forum like these are a god sent. Because without it, I really don’t know men… For anyone reading, please don’t be naive like me.
I am more confident with the Updated skeleton argument, witness statement and bundle I sent today as appose to one I thought I sent in august.
I guess it’s now a matter of waiting on the outcome. Regardless of the outcome, I gave it my best efforts & I’m willing to take it all the way. I can’t thank you enough Marcidevpal and thanks to the moderators who made this forum it has been very informative and helpful.
When I received the non- compliance email in December, I took it as a sign to forget the appeal and continue on appendix FM route. That was until, I decided to login on here and my view quickly changed. I decided I wasn’t gonna give up so easily. I knew I had to continue if not for anything else, at least do it for my children.
Your judge may think, if a litigant in person who has gone through everything imaginable can fight for her and her family's rights, maybe we should do right by them and give them permanent residence.
I am sure many people had your exact same questions and will (quietly) benefit from your efforts on this thread / forum. It is because of people like you, who continue to return to the forum and ask questions until it makes sense, that you have been able to progress so far, so quickly. Kudos to you, Wishfulgirl.
One more thing: Please follow up with the home office. They should say in writing if they will allow the first tier tribunal judge to consider your human rights. If they don't agree and the judge refuses to consider your human rights, you can appeal to the European Court of Human Rights. Have a great weekend. Cheers,
Hi Nyamebeye,Nyamebeye wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:02 pm@Wishfulgirl
Go to Facebook and search for 'the community and the law' programme. They are live discussing EU Family members whose step parents have died. What they need to do to get settled status.
I've been silently reading your story but the info these days on the forum are so much that one can easily get lost in replying to posts.
My thoughts have been that you need to pursue your settled status as a person with retained rights due to your EEA national sponsor dying.
You cannot argue that in a Zambrano appeal as u have not applied for Settled status as a family member so they are two different cases.
These have been my thoughts ever since but the experts are discussing it now if you can tune in.
Take care.
You are welcome. By the way, there is no such thing as a "Zambrano" appeal. Appeals to the First-tier Tribunal regarding the EU Settlement Scheme are governed by the Immigration (Citizens Rights Appeals) (UK Exit) Regulations 2020 (SI 2020 No. 61) (“UK Exit Regulations”).Wishfulgirl wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:36 pmThank you,
I will be sure to follow up with them and let you know their response.
Happy weekend to you too.
3.—(1) A person (“P”) may appeal against a decision made on or after exit day—
(a)to vary P’s leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom granted by virtue of residence scheme immigration rules(1), so that P does not have leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom,
(b)to cancel P’s leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom granted by virtue of residence scheme immigration rules,
(c)not to grant any leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom in response to P’s relevant application, or
(d)not to grant indefinite leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom in response to P’s relevant application (where limited leave to enter or remain is granted, or P had limited leave to enter or remain when P made the relevant application).
(2) In this regulation, “relevant application” means an application for leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom made under residence scheme immigration rules on or after exit day.
8.—(1) An appeal under these Regulations must be brought on one or both of the following two grounds.
(2) The first ground of appeal is that the decision breaches any right which the appellant has by virtue of—
(a)Chapter 1, or Article 24(2) or 25(2) of Chapter 2, of Title II of Part 2 of the withdrawal agreement,
(b)Chapter 1, or Article 23(2) or 24(2) of Chapter 2, of Title II of Part 2 of the EEA EFTA separation agreement, or
(c)Part 2 of the Swiss citizens’ rights agreement(1).
(3) The second ground of appeal is that—
(a)where the decision is mentioned in regulation 3(1)(a) or (b) or 5, it is not in accordance with the provision of the immigration rules by virtue of which it was made;
(b)where the decision is mentioned in regulation 3(1)(c) or (d), it is not in accordance with residence scheme immigration rules;
(c)where the decision is mentioned in regulation 4, it is not in accordance with section 76(1) or (2) of the 2002 Act (as the case may be);
(d)where the decision is mentioned in regulation 6, it is not in accordance with section 3(5) or (6) of the 1971 Act (as the case may be).
(4) But this is subject to regulation 9.
Wishfulgirl wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:36 pmHi Nyamebeye,Nyamebeye wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:02 pm@Wishfulgirl
Go to Facebook and search for 'the community and the law' programme. They are live discussing EU Family members whose step parents have died. What they need to do to get settled status.
I've been silently reading your story but the info these days on the forum are so much that one can easily get lost in replying to posts.
My thoughts have been that you need to pursue your settled status as a person with retained rights due to your EEA national sponsor dying.
You cannot argue that in a Zambrano appeal as u have not applied for Settled status as a family member so they are two different cases.
These have been my thoughts ever since but the experts are discussing it now if you can tune in.
Take care.
Thank you for this information, sadly I’ve only just seen your post. I still went on fb to check the name of it however, nothing came up, is it a group? A page? I can’t seem to find it. I’ve even typed it into google, please let me know thanks.
Are they saying the judge may disregard my argument as a family member of an EEA national in my appeal because I didn’t attempt to make the settlement application first?
Please let me know if they saved the live, I’ll attempt to search again, I really would like to see it. Thank you.
Her appeal is against "a decision relating to leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom made by virtue of residence scheme immigration rules".Nyamebeye wrote: ↑Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:02 pmHello, to put it simple, you appeal against a decision to an application you have made, that is why there are different applications forms for different types of leave. The laws, rules, regulations may be the same but the application is decided on what you are applying for and the evidence provided. I cannot appeal against an EEA application I didn't make. Yes, by all means mention it and make a point of it in your appeal, but an appeal against leave to remain as a Zambrano carer cannot be decided on an application for retained right right as an EEA family member. This was the point I was making hence the use of the term "Zambrano appeal''.
It's like,...hmmm, lets say applying for leave under appendix FM as a parent and being refused and appealing to say that they could have considered your application as a spouse based on a previous relationship you had. Both applications are under appendix FM.
Same as applying for a visit visa for 6 months and expecting to be granted 2 yrs or 5 years multiple entry. You didn't apply for that.
So in short, Wishfulgirl could make a new application for retained right as a family member of an EEA national family member who has died. Then if she is refused that application, she can appeal.Her current appeal is a refusal of grant of limited leave as a Zambrano carer NOT as a family member of an EEA national.