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Heybabyy · Post by **Heybabyy** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:05 pm

I think processing mid 07 is a typo. They are currently processing mid 06 i.e. July/Aug 06.

Secondly, I seriously doubt their claim of average time being 23 months.

They might be doing the calculations like -
a) Avg time for naturalisation if your spouse/grand dad is irish: 1 year
b) Avg time for naturalisation on basis of residency: 3 years

Therefore average processing is (1+3)/2 = 2 years.

Nobody can question them because they won't disclose the logic. But everyone on this forum knows that the people who got approval recently on the basis of 5 yr residency applied in Nov05.

Heybabyy · Post by **Heybabyy** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:12 pm

Read INIS message carefully, they have provided details about applications made 18 months ago i.e. prior to July/Aug 06.

So in other words, before Aug 06 there are :

6400 applications under processing, out of which
1900 are awaiting response from applicants ( dob, marriage affidavits etc)
4500 are awaiting response from other statutory bodies

Now they are definitely looking at mid 06 (Sept06) applications. That mid 07 is a typo. Also note that Aug 06 guys have already recd request for additional docs.

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:16 am

Heybabyy,
I'm not so sure about the processing times. I know of one guy who had applied in jan '07 (yes 2007, not 2006) on the basis of living and working in Ireland for 5 yrs and he got his approval a couple of weeks back.

mktsoi · Post by **mktsoi** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:32 am

strongbow wrote:Heybabyy,
I'm not so sure about the processing times. I know of one guy who had applied in jan '07 (yes 2007, not 2006) on the basis of living and working in Ireland for 5 yrs and he got his approval a couple of weeks back.

just wondering. did DOJ ask him for additional documents?

LuasPassenger · Post by **LuasPassenger** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:33 am

My reading is that they're indeed looking at mid 07 applications. But they're only checking if they're complete, correctly filled out and whether they fulfil basic requirements. That way, they can return failed applications ASAP.

A mid 07 application that fulfils the basic criteria and is correctly filled out and is complete will be looked at again in late 2009 and probably will be approved in 2010. So it will still take 3 years to complete.

I actually do think the average time of 23 months is correct. Suppose that 50% of the applications submitted in a year are incorrect: then this 50% of the applications will be "processed" (i.e. rejected) within 1 year, the other 50% of the applications will be processed and approved in the normal processing time (3 years). The average is still 2 years.

So I think that average counts both valid and invalid applications. Obviously, invalid applications are quick to process, so they bring the average down.

Instead of publishing the Average Processing Time, they should publish the Average Approval Time.

mktsoi · Post by **mktsoi** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:54 am

LuasPassenger wrote:My reading is that they're indeed looking at mid 07 applications. But they're only checking if they're complete, correctly filled out and whether they fulfil basic requirements. That way, they can return failed applications ASAP.

A mid 07 application that fulfils the basic criteria and is correctly filled out and is complete will be looked at again in late 2009 and probably will be approved in 2010. So it will still take 3 years to complete.

I actually do think the average time of 23 months is correct. Suppose that 50% of the applications submitted in a year are incorrect: then this 50% of the applications will be "processed" (i.e. rejected) within 1 year, the other 50% of the applications will be processed and approved in the normal processing time (3 years). The average is still 2 years.

So I think that average counts both valid and invalid applications. Obviously, invalid applications are quick to process, so they bring the average down.

Instead of publishing the Average Processing Time, they should publish the Average Approval Time.

i submitted my application in May 2007. it was my second time to submit citizenship application. the first time i submitted the application was in march 2007. they sent back the whole application to me by register post because i did not fill out the declaration form correctly. the second time after i submitted in May 2007. A month after in June 2007, they gave me a acknowledgment letter stating that my application has been place in queue and it will not process within 30 months. soooo when they gave me the acknowledgment letter, does it mean they have done the initial checking that you mentioned?

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:02 am

mktsoi wrote:
strongbow wrote:Heybabyy,
I'm not so sure about the processing times. I know of one guy who had applied in jan '07 (yes 2007, not 2006) on the basis of living and working in Ireland for 5 yrs and he got his approval a couple of weeks back.
just wondering. did DOJ ask him for additional documents?

yes he was asked for P21s and the bank statements

LuasPassenger · Post by **LuasPassenger** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:22 am

mktsoi wrote: (...)
soooo when they gave me the acknowledgment letter, does it mean they have done the initial checking that you mentioned?

I think so. And I think your first application counted as a fully processed (but rejected) application. Its processing time was of 2 months, which brings the average processing time down.

Dublin1 · Post by **Dublin1** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:23 am

strongbow wrote:
mktsoi wrote:
strongbow wrote:Heybabyy,
I'm not so sure about the processing times. I know of one guy who had applied in jan '07 (yes 2007, not 2006) on the basis of living and working in Ireland for 5 yrs and he got his approval a couple of weeks back.
just wondering. did DOJ ask him for additional documents?
yes he was asked for P21s and the bank statements

Can you tell us when did they ask him for the P21 ?

The reason I am asking to see how long it took from providing the docs and getting the cert.

Thanks

alica · Post by **alica** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:16 pm

some more info:
friend of mine:
applied - APR 2007 (irish spouse)
request for update - MAY 2007
approval-AUG 2008

another friend of mine ( 5 years residency-work permits)
applied-NOV 2006
NO request for update
approval - OCT 2008

another friend:
applied MAY 2005
present-NO requests for updates, no approval...

there is another one person:
applied FEB 2007 ( after 5 years residency-work permits)
request for update- MAY 2008
received approval - NOV 2008

I applied FEB 2007 - documents were rejected
applied second time- MAR 2007
request for update - JUN 2008
confirmation that received update- JUL 2008
present-still waiting....

Fionn · Post by **Fionn** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:15 pm

It's a lottery and some people are luckier than others

alica · Post by **alica** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:19 pm

This is what I think as well......

vhelix · Post by **vhelix** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 1:25 pm

friend of mine applied Sep 2006 asked for extra doc Jun 2008 got approval Oct 2008. ( Single and huge bank balance).

Dublin1 · Post by **Dublin1** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:16 pm

what do u mean by Huge bank balance ?

do u think if u r top earner, ur application go faster ?

opengl · Post by **opengl** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:17 pm

Dublin1 wrote:what do u mean by Huge bank balance ?

do u think if u r top earner, ur application go faster ?

Well in that case I should have recieved it 6 months back

opengl · Post by **opengl** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:19 pm

I think its all random.

Who handles your application? How fast the officer is

If it goes to Garda clearance which station or which Garda officer handles it? How efficient and fast is he?

Etc etc etc

Its a lottery. If you fall in efficient hands you will get it in 18 months elase you may not get in 38 either

Dublin1 · Post by **Dublin1** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 2:19 pm

alica wrote:some more info:
friend of mine:
applied - APR 2007 (irish spouse)
request for update - MAY 2007
approval-AUG 2008

another friend of mine ( 5 years residency-work permits)
applied-NOV 2006
NO request for update
approval - OCT 2008

another friend:
applied MAY 2005
present-NO requests for updates, no approval...

there is another one person:
applied FEB 2007 ( after 5 years residency-work permits)
request for update- MAY 2008
received approval - NOV 2008

I applied FEB 2007 - documents were rejected
applied second time- MAR 2007
request for update - JUN 2008
confirmation that received update- JUL 2008
present-still waiting....

can u tell us the original nationality of ur friends, as some are saying it makes a difference

alica · Post by **alica** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:22 pm

all-from Belarus, one-Russia ( not the one, who is waiting from 2005

)

Dublin1 · Post by **Dublin1** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 3:42 pm

thanks Alica

LuasPassenger · Post by **LuasPassenger** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:59 pm

There's a parliamentary question from yesterday with more info on processing times. Looks like this question prompted INIS to update their website.

266. Deputy David Stanton asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform the number of applications for citizenship being processed; the average time it takes to process an application for citizenship; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [43362/08]

Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Deputy Dermot Ahern): There are currently 15,600 applications for naturalisation with the Citizenship Division of my Department that are still awaiting a decision. The number of applications which were made more than 18 months ago is 6,400 and of these 30% (1,900) are on hold awaiting a response from the applicant and 44% (2,800) are awaiting a response from other statutory bodies as part of the normal applications checking process.

Following the recent decentralisation of the Citizenship Division to Tipperary Town, substantial resources have been made available to it in order to reduce backlogs and provide a better quality service to all applicants. This has had a positive impact on processing times and the average time from application to decision for the generality of valid applications is now at 23 months. It is expected that this will progressively improve over the coming year and the Division is currently commencing further processing of applications received in mid 2007. A significant number of applications are initially found to be invalid for a variety of reasons and these are now being dealt with and returned to the applicant within a week. More complicated cases can at times take more than the current average while an element of straight forward cases are now being dealt with in less than that time scale.

The Deputy will appreciate that there is a limit to the reduction in the processing time that can be achieved as applications for naturalisation must be processed in a way which preserves the necessary checks and balances to ensure that it is not undervalued and is only given to persons who genuinely satisfy the necessary qualifying criteria.

Source: http://debates.oireachtas.ie/DDebate.as ... 26&Page=29

Dublin1 · Post by **Dublin1** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:50 am

good news, keeping the presure on them, for sure will lead to faster process.

Fionn · Post by **Fionn** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:57 am

Updates:

I heard of a person today (Russian) who applied on the basis of 5 years residency, married to a EU national living in Ireland but not Irish.
She applied in Mai 2007 (Yes 2007) and she got her approval yesterday.
She didn't try to expedite her apllication at all..so she was very surprised when she got the approval.
The information about applications from Mid 2007 being processed i not wrong after all!

There is light at the end of this tunnel..

Dublin1 · Post by **Dublin1** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:58 am

Fionn wrote:Updates:

I heard of a person today (Russian) who applied on the basis of 5 years residency, married to a EU national living in Ireland but not Irish.
She applied in Mai 2007 (Yes 2007) and she got her approval yesterday.
She didn't try to expedite her apllication at all..so she was very surprised when she got the approval.
The information about applications from Mid 2007 being processed i not wrong after all!

There is light at the end of this tunnel..

well this is only cause she is married to EU national, so she have exception. as for the normal applications the last we heard was approval for ppl applied late 2005 or early 2006

ashimashi · Post by **ashimashi** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:00 am

Dublin1 wrote:
Fionn wrote:Updates:

I heard of a person today (Russian) who applied on the basis of 5 years residency, married to a EU national living in Ireland but not Irish.
She applied in Mai 2007 (Yes 2007) and she got her approval yesterday.
She didn't try to expedite her apllication at all..so she was very surprised when she got the approval.
The information about applications from Mid 2007 being processed i not wrong after all!

There is light at the end of this tunnel..
well this is only cause she is married to EU national, so she have exception. as for the normal applications the last we heard was approval for ppl applied late 2005 or early 2006

Nope. I'm married to an Irish citizen and applied on the same basis but haven't got it yet (nearly 30 months now).

Fionn · Post by **Fionn** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:00 am

It's still an application from 2007. And I suppose this is good news for all spouses of EU /Irish citizens.

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