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if you can proof that your grandparents are irish, why dont you try the irish embassy? or if you are in ireland. just go to the DOJ and ask.atravellingsoul wrote:Synopsis:
US citizen-applied for Irish citizenship via Irish G.father Dec. 2008
How can I get Stamp 4, 5 or 6 to work during this time? My story below.
Sept. 2005 - Moved to Ireland w/3 kids. Met my Irish BF (man of my dreams & still is today).
Intended to stay through my then marriage to EU Greek citizen (22 yrs) who resided in US by getting my Irish citizenship & kids Dual citizenship & Passports. I pd. 3,500 beg. 2004 Genealogist wanted more money 2005, had nothing, scammed! So, would stay via kids dual citizenship. HA, NOT!
Adult kids & I -enrolled in college. My minor in old secondary.
Adult kid (girl) moved back to US 6 months later.
Greek embassy: 2006, Registered all 3 births, denied passports for kids stating:
22 yr old son w/high functioning autism, had to enroll in Greek army.
14 yr old daughter, can not get a passport until 18 yrs without fathers permission..he gave...they denied again. I also had custody & residency rights per court!
Dec. 2006; I got severely ill, Hysterectomy, no Iron, no B-12, depression, Divorce was 2 days out of hospital. Custody dispute, I won. No child support, until Jan. 2007, then child wanted to stay in US! Ex and I now friends, no issues...BF still waiting..bless his soul!
My life: 2007 & 2008...3 month in Ireland...3 months in US.
Work in IT (Research database spec.) applied for HUNDREDS OF JOBS! Can not get anything! No work visa, no green card.
Nov. 2008 - In Ireland for 1 month to visit recruiters, job hunt, wait for 2 possible interview (now not till next month ..if shortlisted).
Accidentally met a real Genealogist, gave vital info..within 2 hours found G.Father's birth info etc. by Gods grace. Now..applied for citizenship, told if I get a stamp 4 can work or go to school (I want both). I then, would get a job..as all turned down because of my status & work visa/green card issue.
So, Please can anyone help me? I want to move forward with my life! Settle & work while waiting for citizenship, so how do I get stamped to work until my birth is registered, certified and oath taken?
I now have the support of my Ex(good friendship there), my kids, family.
I have the worlds most wonderful Boy Friend and I don't want to loose him, he's waited so patiently. We both refuse to just marry to FIX things. We wanted everything done legally and morally right.
So does anyone have any suggestions? Does, LTR apply while I wait? Are there any EU laws (regarding my 22 yrs married to an EU citizen).
1 Important footnote: I was stalked by a man who suffered brain damage from a fall at our work from 2002-2004..hence my choice to move overseas. I felt safe there, happy there, met and fell in Love...Ireland is Home...when I'm in the US...bad memories..fears of re-stalking.
I'm desperate; Where are my rights as a human being, to be able to live free & happy?
2 1/2 years for irish descent application?benifa wrote:Hi atravellingsoul,
EU regulations cannot help you, since you are not the family member of an EU national who is exercising Treaty rights in Ireland.
Your right to reside in Ireland can be determined only by Irish national law.
The wait for an Irish citizenship application to be processed is about 2 1/2 years, so I understand.
Apologies, atravellingsoul. I was wrong to have said 2 1/2 years. This is incorrect in your case. From this link:mktsoi wrote:2 1/2 years for irish descent application?
You said you applied for Irish citizenship via Irish G.father Dec. 2008. Did you have your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register? It would appear that once you have done this - you are an Irish citizen.Citizenship through descent from Irish grandparents
If one of your grandparents is an Irish citizen but none of your parents was born in Ireland, you may become an Irish citizen. You will need to have your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register.
If you are entitled to register, your Irish citizenship is effective from the date of registration. The Irish citizenship of successive generations may be maintained in this way by each generation ensuring their registration in the Foreign Births Register before the birth of the next generation.
Since 1 July 1986, a person registered in the Foreign Births Entry Book after 1986 is deemed to be an Irish citizen only from the date of his/her entry in the Register and not from the date of birth. This means that children born to that person before his/her date of entry in the Register are not entitled to citizenship.
People registered before July 1986 are deemed Irish citizens either from the date the original Irish Nationality and Citizenship Act came into force, that is, 17 July 1956, or their date of birth, whichever is later. Only children born after 17 July 1956 can claim citizenship in such cases.
i forgot to ask you this as well. do you have all the paper work to proof that you have irish born grandparents? if not, get the paper ready. apply it first. the next thing you can ask the embassy is, can you apply the foreign birth registration then so up in ireland and wait. the retired garda told you that it is in their discretion, remember? they might give you a stamp 4 based on what info you can produce. get me? you will be amuse what the GNIB can offer with their rubber stamp.atravellingsoul wrote:A respondent sited that the "process takes 12-15 months", is this to get your name in the Registrar or to get the certification showing proof?
Hmmm I've been up all night, so I'm sorry if this seems so complex...
My main goal is to be able to work and finish college when I get there. Not to live off of anyone or the State. I'm very independent and lately...I'm feeling very frustrated.
I just don't want anything to go wrong, like last time. So I'm trying to be prepared in what to ask or what to site to attain a Stamp 4 without question.
Again, Thank you all for responding so fast, I appreciate any and all comments, and again...sorry for everything being so lengthy.
Foreign birth registration:"Where an applicant and his/her parents were born outside Ireland but one of the applicant’s grandparents was born in Ireland, an application may be made for Irish citizenship through entry in the Foreign Births Registration Book held in the Embassy. "
"HELD IN THE EMBASSY"
a piece of advice for u as well. if they do not required you to give them true copy of your documents, dont give them true copy. just give them certified copy. documents do go missing in the government services in ireland. you know this bit, right?atravellingsoul wrote:I was thinking the same thing...copies and possibly some letter or proof to provide the Garda when approaching them about the stamp 4. Your joke...hysterical.
I found this Referencing "Entry into the Registration Book"
"Hungary's Irish embassy website...but I'm sure it applies to all.
Its an important piece of information not related to the lay person.
The point here is:
Entry into the "Foreign Registry Book" it appears..and anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.... entries are not sent outside to Dublin's Foreign Affairs for processing. Rather, the info is updated/sent later on.
Entry date is done there.
Thus...this explains the "Back log" in Ireland, as they are processing all entries...whereas "Foreign Births" processed outside are still done from the applicants home embassy (how many go through there?)
http://www.dfa.ie/home/index.aspx?id=32653
Foreign birth registration:"Where an applicant and his/her parents were born outside Ireland but one of the applicant’s grandparents was born in Ireland, an application may be made for Irish citizenship through entry in the Foreign Births Registration Book held in the Embassy. "