THO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:31 pm
FXR_1340 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 4:49 pm
THO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:58 pm
FXR_1340 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 pm
THO wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:23 am
......Personally, I think 18.6K is far too little to be able to bring someone to live with you.
Time and again I read on this forum that people who have never met are getting married after meeting just once, and then he/she is allowed to arrive into the UK. Worse is the number of cases of divorce of these people, who then remarry someone else they have not met, and bring them in, the previous partner is allowed to remain. In case no one had noticed the UK is an island, with a massive housing shortage and a population increasing by 100sK per year, and it can't go on. 300K houses needed to be built per year, excludes schools, hospitals, prisons, roads and other infrastructure to support this increase in population.
You all might think it's unfair, but how else does the govt tackle this situation? If it carries on unchecked, there will be a point in the future when the country is actually full, and then what? Or does everyone want to simply kick the ball into the long grass and hope that things work out for the best.
So why not treat the Cause and not the Symptoms?
How do we treat the cause and not the symptoms? I'm very keen to hear your answer. Build more houses, and pave over green belt? That is a ticket to disaster.
Keep in mind, that the population must stop growing, if not now sometime in the future, the huge annual increases in population in year on year is not good for the UK.
In the Case in Point, why not begin by having more consideration of UK Citizens?
The current UK Govt is "not good for the UK"!
With regards addressing the Cause, does UK Govt actually know? UK Govt is a mess! It is blundering from one chicken-Up to another. This is just the latest effort to "protect our borders". The Govt is a joke. Yet again it panders to its odious Right Wing, just as it did with Brexit.
Dont forget, much of these issues stem from the 18thC and 19thC when it Plundered and Raped much of the world.
I would urge you, if not already done, to take a closer
look at the Visa process and who does and who doesn't need a Visa to enter UK. As I said the UK Govt is a joke!
Your reply is ridiculous, it has nothing to do with the UK govt, it has to do with trying to reduce net migration to manageable levels. How do they do it?
You did not answer your statement, as there is no answer, other than find ways to allow less people in. I.e. make it harder for them to obtain a visa. You might think it's heartless, but there is no way on earth there is the building capacity to achieve 300K homes in a year, so what gives, where do all the people live? Where would all the homes go. Right near me 800 new homes and a school and shops are being built on green belt, as we argue.
You believe what any opposition party tells you because it is the easy option. Easy to take pot shots at the incumbent. BTW, Labour has not come out against these plans, and as I understand will back them. So, so much for heartless Conservatives.
As for the 18th and 19th century, that of course was many decades ago, you can't possibly expect the UK to pay for their past actions forever, they were different times in history when many countries were out to rule others, and it's really not at all relevant now.
Sir, in response I would say, if this is the issue, (couples not having met), govt can STOP those who have not met from obtaining a Visa by simply making it known it is not acceptable?
However, you have already stated "it has nothing to do with Govt" (what utter nonsense!). Please restate the point you feel I did not answer. As for "Labour has not come out against these plans", you are correct. However, does this not say more about Labour than the issue at hand?
"You believe what any opposition party tells you because it is the easy option." , have you not just stated that the Opposition Party has said nothing?
"As for the 18th and 19th century, that of course was many decades ago, you can't possibly expect the UK to pay for their past actions forever", isnt this the new way? Apologising for all terrible things a country was involved in, in its past? I am not saying for one second this is the correct approach, but there you go!
Perhaps a bit of study into 18th and 19th C is required on your part?
On that point, and the fact you say it has nothing to do with it or has any relevance,, this too is rubbish due to that fact many peoples of the World became Entitled to a UK Passport?
Finally, Sir, I find some of your responses on this thread, at very best, to be borderline dearly beloved. Enjoy your stay in MY place of birth!