Naturalisation certificate post ceremony timeframe

[alwaysdilemma]

Has anyone received certificate yet from the 18th Dec ceremony? Thank you

[sv23367]

it will definitely take more time with Christmas and New year holidays. people can expect the certificates from the week of Jan 08th (minimum)

[Vadrar]

Has anyone received certificate yet from the 18th Dec ceremony? Thank you

Based on the last few ceremonies, the beginning of February is when you'll see the first significant numbers receiving certs. There will be a lot of people who don't receive them before late April. I'd be very, very surprised if any real numbers of people - or indeed any at all, see them before Christmas.

[Bluebird71]

Has anyone received certificate yet from the 18th Dec ceremony? Thank you

Based on the last few ceremonies, the beginning of February is when you'll see the first significant numbers receiving certs. There will be a lot of people who don't receive them before late April. I'd be very, very surprised if any real numbers of people - or indeed any at all, see them before Christmas.

I seriously hope that is not the case as it would be absolutely criminal to make people wait that long to get their certificate especially after some people have already been waiting for 2 years.

[meself2]

Has anyone received certificate yet from the 18th Dec ceremony? Thank you

Based on the last few ceremonies, the beginning of February is when you'll see the first significant numbers receiving certs. There will be a lot of people who don't receive them before late April. I'd be very, very surprised if any real numbers of people - or indeed any at all, see them before Christmas.

I seriously hope that is not the case as it would be absolutely criminal to make people wait that long to get their certificate especially after some people have already been waiting for 2 years.

Some people haven't gotten their certs from October ceremony (been like 3 months), so ISD does take a lot of time sometimes.

[Bluebird71]

Has anyone received certificate yet from the 18th Dec ceremony? Thank you

Based on the last few ceremonies, the beginning of February is when you'll see the first significant numbers receiving certs. There will be a lot of people who don't receive them before late April. I'd be very, very surprised if any real numbers of people - or indeed any at all, see them before Christmas.

I seriously hope that is not the case as it would be absolutely criminal to make people wait that long to get their certificate especially after some people have already been waiting for 2 years.

Some people haven't gotten their certs from October ceremony (been like 3 months), so ISD does take a lot of time sometimes.

I dont really understand that or find that fair ? I understood that they had increased staff and I dont think they make people wait months more for certificates... at some point something has to give. I thought everyone had received their certs from October ?

[meself2]

I thought everyone had received their certs from October ?

I also did, but alas - post2141667.html#p2141667

[ILLL]

So do we need to renew the IRP after the ceremony and before receiving the certificate? If yes, what stamp type?

[meself2]

So do we need to renew the IRP after the ceremony and before receiving the certificate? If yes, what stamp type?

Why do you ask? Do you need to travel?

Technically, you are a citizen from the date of your ceremony and a citizen cannot be granted a visa, because, well, they're a citizen, get a passport.
But you can't prove it until the cert is recieved, so you're in a bit of a legal limbo (which was nonexistent before they started sending out the certs, as they gave them out on the ceremony, but ah well, now some people have to wait months until cert, eg post2130827.html#p2130827).

If you need to travel, you either:
- give up on your travel,
- use your old IRP if it's still valid (good enough for airlines and you can explain yourself at the border)
- or come into Burgh Quay and plead for an emergency visa so you can return.


If f you need IRP for a job/etc, you can try to apply for renewal on the same basis as you had before; 99 percent they'll say "you're a citizen, can't give you this one", but at least you can say to your employer "im in the process of renewal" if they ask (and hopefully cert arrives once they refuse), 9 percent is they renew it and 1 percent - they'll offer you an alternate solution.

[ILLL]

So do we need to renew the IRP after the ceremony and before receiving the certificate? If yes, what stamp type?

Why do you ask? Do you need to travel?

Technically, you are a citizen from the date of your ceremony and a citizen cannot be granted a visa, because, well, they're a citizen, get a passport.
But you can't prove it until the cert is recieved, so you're in a bit of a legal limbo (which was nonexistent before they started sending out the certs, as they gave them out on the ceremony, but ah well, now some people have to wait months until cert, eg post2130827.html#p2130827).

If you need to travel, you either:
- give up on your travel,
- use your old IRP if it's still valid (good enough for airlines and you can explain yourself at the border)
- or come into Burgh Quay and plead for an emergency visa so you can return.


If f you need IRP for a job/etc, you can try to apply for renewal on the same basis as you had before; 99 percent they'll say "you're a citizen, can't give you this one", but at least you can say to your employer "im in the process of renewal" if they ask (and hopefully cert arrives once they refuse), 9 percent is they renew it and 1 percent - they'll offer you an alternate solution.

Thanks for the response. As my IRP is due to expire in three months, if I don’t receive the certificate, I am not sure how can I prove to my employer my status. It’s a weird situation and I am not 100% sure what is the best option.

[meself2]

As my IRP is due to expire in three months, if I don’t receive the certificate, I am not sure how can I prove to my employer my status. It’s a weird situation and I am not 100% sure what is the best option.

If you live in Dublin, apply for extension and it'll give you another month or two.
https://www.irishimmigration.ie/registe ... al-dublin/

Employers should note:

If an employee’s IRP card has expired and they are unable to obtain a valid registration card by the expiry date of their current IRP card, they are still legally permitted to remain in the State on the existing conditions of their current IRP card for a maximum of 8 weeks. This 8 week provision is subject to the employee providing proof that they have applied to renew their registration, including when changing stamp category, prior to their current IRP card expiring.

But 3 months should be enough. Hopefully.

[Vadrar]

So do we need to renew the IRP after the ceremony and before receiving the certificate? If yes, what stamp type?

Why do you ask? Do you need to travel?

Technically, you are a citizen from the date of your ceremony and a citizen cannot be granted a visa, because, well, they're a citizen, get a passport.
But you can't prove it until the cert is recieved, so you're in a bit of a legal limbo (which was nonexistent before they started sending out the certs, as they gave them out on the ceremony, but ah well, now some people have to wait months until cert, eg post2130827.html#p2130827).

If you need to travel, you either:
- give up on your travel,
- use your old IRP if it's still valid (good enough for airlines and you can explain yourself at the border)
- or come into Burgh Quay and plead for an emergency visa so you can return.


If f you need IRP for a job/etc, you can try to apply for renewal on the same basis as you had before; 99 percent they'll say "you're a citizen, can't give you this one", but at least you can say to your employer "im in the process of renewal" if they ask (and hopefully cert arrives once they refuse), 9 percent is they renew it and 1 percent - they'll offer you an alternate solution.

Thanks for the response. As my IRP is due to expire in three months, if I don’t receive the certificate, I am not sure how can I prove to my employer my status. It’s a weird situation and I am not 100% sure what is the best option.

You could also show your employer naturalisation approval letter plus ceremony invitation. For good measure you could email department and ask for certificate delivery date. They won’t say, but if they reply with a meaningless message you could show that to your employer too to indicate it’s normal for the certificate to be mired in bureaucracy.

[cnbyz]

I think they can improve this process by issuing a temporary certificate in the ceremony which folks can submit to their employer. We are naturalised now but still stressed over stuff . We deserve better

[Bluebird71]

I think they can improve this process by issuing a temporary certificate in the ceremony which folks can submit to their employer. We are naturalised now but still stressed over stuff . We deserve better

On the invitation it said your certificate will be posted in couple of weeks. That means two weeks at some point they need to held accountable. It’s not fair that we can’t prove our right to work status because they decided to keep us in limbo.

[FidoDido29]

I was wondering if there was a timeline thread for certificate of naturalisation? Just getting a little desperate after attending ceremony on 19th Dec.

[Vadrar]

I was wondering if there was a timeline thread for certificate of naturalisation? Just getting a little desperate after attending ceremony on 19th Dec.

Not beyond the dates mentioned throughout this thread. The historic template for the annual timeline threads don't include a distinct certification date. I suspect because when the template was created certificates were given on the day of ceremony.

@mods - certificate arrival date might be a useful addition when the 2024 timeline is started perhaps?

General experience of recent ceremonies suggests a wait of at least a month and often two to three months is entirely normal unfortunately. I haven't heard of anyone receiving a certificate from Dec ceremonies yet.They could of course change this approach at some point and issue certificates sooner but that is the recent timeline.

[meself2]

The historic template for the annual timeline threads don't include a distinct certification date. I suspect because when the template was created certificates were given on the day of ceremony.

It was created back in teh day when there was a second letter, times long gone.

@mods - certificate arrival date might be a useful addition when the 2024 timeline is started perhaps?

I'll throw this into the topic. About time to start it, probably. Thanks for the suggestion!

I was wondering if there was a timeline thread for certificate of naturalisation? Just getting a little desperate after attending ceremony on 19th Dec.

My optimistic, very optimistic expectation (assuming you went to the first ceremony) is end of Jan; there was a gap of 2 weeks/ a month between ceremonies. If they'll keep going like that, I would say people from last ceremony will get their certs around April - May at best.

[meself2]

@Vadrar and others - timeline thread is in place ( ireland/2024-citizenship-applications-t ... 42461.html ); I think I got all the current stages correct? If not, let me know and I'll amend it before first poster comes.

[Vadrar]

@Vadrar and others - timeline thread is in place ( ireland/2024-citizenship-applications-t ... 42461.html ); I think I got all the current stages correct? If not, let me know and I'll amend it before first poster comes.

Thanks so much. Stages look good to me. After what feels like a long time sitting on the sidelines (though no longer than anyone else of course), I've finally been able to jump into the game myself.

[meself2]

Thanks so much. Stages look good to me. After what feels like a long time sitting on the sidelines (though no longer than anyone else of course), I've finally been able to jump into the game myself.

That waiting saved you a ton of unnecessary hassle with paper copies and passports, so it could as well be an advantage.
Have fun with that! Wait is tideous, but the result is worth it.

[Vadrar]

Thanks so much. Stages look good to me. After what feels like a long time sitting on the sidelines (though no longer than anyone else of course), I've finally been able to jump into the game myself.

That waiting saved you a ton of unnecessary hassle with paper copies and passports, so it could as well be an advantage.
Have fun with that! Wait is tideous, but the result is worth it.

Thanks! You are absolutely right - the online form is light years ahead of the old process (though that's not saying much). Certifying every page of every passport was a beast of a job. Avoiding the whole banker's draft and blackbox of postage was very welcome too - it removes so much uncertainty and anxiety. And that's before you factor in the online form having considerably fewer questions than the paper form.

And yes, the end result is an enormous privilege; I'm grateful to be in progress. It could be a long old haul for me as I've decided to go down the association route. I was very interested to see your post about the re-instigation of revocation. It just confirmed to me that as I am fortunate enough to be able to make an association case, I'll trade off the additional processing time to get rid of any need for registration should circumstances mean I have to move away from Ireland in the future.

[Stay0]

I was wondering if there was a timeline thread for certificate of naturalisation? Just getting a little desperate after attending ceremony on 19th Dec.

Not the best response by the minister (no surprise there). If going by the response we can expect certs within 6 weeks of the ceremony.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/qu ... nswers-161

[Vadrar]

I was wondering if there was a timeline thread for certificate of naturalisation? Just getting a little desperate after attending ceremony on 19th Dec.

Not the best response by the minister (no surprise there). If going by the response we can expect certs within 6 weeks of the ceremony.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/qu ... nswers-161

She's actually only committed herself to 51% ('the majority of these certificates') of applicants receiving the certificate within 6 weeks. Which is in line (if you squint and give the benefit of the doubt to the department and presume An Post is responsible for some additional delays) with what we've seen.

That leaves up to 49% waiting for many more weeks, and still not having any grounds for dispute with her claims.

[meself2]

It could be a long old haul for me as I've decided to go down the association route.

Could be, but possibly they can let you be in line with others, taking your residence into account; time will tell.

And yes, taking a bit longer now for mental peace on years ahead is a better optino IMO.

If going by the response we can expect certs within 6 weeks of the ceremony.

I wouldn't say so. It took about 2 months for people on last ceremony of Oct 2nd and, as rightfully noted by Vadrar, it's not a clear confirmation. Also, "issued" in my mind stands for "printed", not "sent", which could be a few weeks' difference.

[Stay0]

It could be a long old haul for me as I've decided to go down the association route.

Could be, but possibly they can let you be in line with others, taking your residence into account; time will tell.

And yes, taking a bit longer now for mental peace on years ahead is a better optino IMO.

If going by the response we can expect certs within 6 weeks of the ceremony.

I wouldn't say so. It took about 2 months for people on last ceremony of Oct 2nd and, as rightfully noted by Vadrar, it's not a clear confirmation. Also, "issued" in my mind stands for "printed", not "sent", which could be a few weeks' difference.

You might expect that since they’ve improved the application process, getting and sending the certificates would be faster. I really wonder why there’s a delay in printing them, especially when all the needed info, like photos, is provided online. Once payment is confirmed, and applicant has confirmed attendance to the ceremony. The certificates should be printed right away, maybe even given out at the ceremony or sent in the post within a week of the ceremony. They have issued approval letters received by post the next day and I don’t see why that level of efficiency can’t be achieved with the Cert. The way it’s done doesn’t seem to be very well planned out. I truly hope the wait for December attendees does not go beyond end of January.
I’d like to think Oct attendee(s) still waiting (nos uncertain) is just an exception.