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Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by Hellohellohelp » Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:30 am

This is in relation to the Transit without visa (TWOV) requirements of UK for visa-required national.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration ... isa-scheme

(h) hold a valid common format residence permit issued by an EEA state (pursuant to Council Regulation (EC) No. 1030/2002) or Switzerland;

When transiting from another country, transiting to the UK to fly to Ireland, is te section above applicable to the Irish Residence Permit?
If you have official links for this information, really appreciate if could share that as well. Thanks!

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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by Angel99 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:05 am

Hellohellohelp wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:30 am
This is in relation to the Transit without visa (TWOV) requirements of UK for visa-required national.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration ... isa-scheme

(h) hold a valid common format residence permit issued by an EEA state (pursuant to Council Regulation (EC) No. 1030/2002) or Switzerland;

When transiting from another country, transiting to the UK to fly to Ireland, is te section above applicable to the Irish Residence Permit?
If you have official links for this information, really appreciate if could share that as well. Thanks!
Hi,
IRP is a common format residence permit and you can transit UK to else where or vice versa if you are not going to change airports or pass through border control.

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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by nisi » Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:48 am

Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:05 am
Hellohellohelp wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:30 am
When transiting from another country, transiting to the UK to fly to Ireland, is te section above applicable to the Irish Residence Permit?
If you have official links for this information, really appreciate if could share that as well. Thanks!
Hi,
IRP is a common format residence permit and you can transit UK to else where or vice versa if you are not going to change airports or pass through border control.
Flights to Ireland from UK airports are generally (always?) treated like domestic flights.I don't think there's anywhere in the UK that you can transit to a flight to Ireland without first passing through border control.

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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by Angel99 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:34 am

nisi wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:48 am
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:05 am
Hellohellohelp wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:30 am
When transiting from another country, transiting to the UK to fly to Ireland, is te section above applicable to the Irish Residence Permit?
If you have official links for this information, really appreciate if could share that as well. Thanks!
Hi,
IRP is a common format residence permit and you can transit UK to else where or vice versa if you are not going to change airports or pass through border control.
Flights to Ireland from UK airports are generally (always?) treated like domestic flights.I don't think there's anywhere in the UK that you can transit to a flight to Ireland without first passing through border control.
There are two types of transit. You pass through immigration or you don't. If you do not change airports or check in luggages again, transit visa is irrelevant because you won't see immigration control. The rule is that the passenger must depart by air by midnight and have onward ticket. Though you can pass through border control or change airport without a visa if you hold one of the exemptions, this part is a bit tricky and must be confirmed by the airline beforehand.

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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by Angel99 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:54 am

He will be considered as Airside transit passenger if he won't change airports or checkin luggages.

He is also allowed to change airports or meet immigration control without a "Visitor in transit visa" if he has the same exemptions for the above.

But as i said the latter must be done carefully because that is soley at the discretion of the immigration officer or uninformed airline representative.

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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by meself2 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:23 pm

Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:54 am
He will be considered as Airside transit passenger if he won't change airports or checkin luggages.
Not necessarily.
https://www.stanstedairport.com/help/pa ... g-flights/
If you arrive at London Stansted on an international flight you will need to pass through passport control/immigration, whether your connecting flight is domestic or international.
https://www.london-luton.co.uk/to-and-f ... passengers
London Luton Airport is a point-to-point airport. This means we do not have transit facilities for international passengers wishing to connect to another destination.

On arrival, you will need to go through immigration and passport control; you will cross the border to enter the UK and if necessary, will require the correct documentation or visas to do so.
The better assumption would be to always treat flights to/from Ireland as ones going through immigration control. Even UK highlights it on their website, if you select that you're going to ROI in transit:
https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa/y/phil ... of_ireland
You’ll need a visa to pass through the UK (unless you’re exempt)
And that's why ROI has its own option in this visa checker.

So yeah, it's a game of chance. You can try to transit with IRP, but UKVI border force has no obligation to let you through - they can refuse you entry.

Additionally, airlines like Ryanair, WIzz and otehr lowcosters operate "point to point" system:
https://www.ryanair.com/ie/en/useful-in ... 1560777886
We are a ‘point-to-point' airline. We do not transfer passengers or baggage to other flights, whether or not they are operated by us.
What that means for you, essentially, is that if you have a flight Dublin - London (Ryanair) and London - Istanbul (for example), Ryanair will check your visa during boarding, won't find one and won't let you board the flight - for them you're only going to the UK and you don't have a UK visa.

If you can, avoid UK for peace of mind or get a UK visa.
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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by Angel99 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:34 pm

meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:23 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 9:54 am
He will be considered as Airside transit passenger if he won't change airports or checkin luggages.
Not necessarily.
https://www.stanstedairport.com/help/pa ... g-flights/
If you arrive at London Stansted on an international flight you will need to pass through passport control/immigration, whether your connecting flight is domestic or international.
https://www.london-luton.co.uk/to-and-f ... passengers
London Luton Airport is a point-to-point airport. This means we do not have transit facilities for international passengers wishing to connect to another destination.

On arrival, you will need to go through immigration and passport control; you will cross the border to enter the UK and if necessary, will require the correct documentation or visas to do so.
The better assumption would be to always treat flights to/from Ireland as ones going through immigration control. Even UK highlights it on their website, if you select that you're going to ROI in transit:
https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa/y/phil ... of_ireland
You’ll need a visa to pass through the UK (unless you’re exempt)
And that's why ROI has its own option in this visa checker.

So yeah, it's a game of chance. You can try to transit with IRP, but UKVI border force has no obligation to let you through - they can refuse you entry.

Additionally, airlines like Ryanair, WIzz and otehr lowcosters operate "point to point" system:
https://www.ryanair.com/ie/en/useful-in ... 1560777886
We are a ‘point-to-point' airline. We do not transfer passengers or baggage to other flights, whether or not they are operated by us.
What that means for you, essentially, is that if you have a flight Dublin - London (Ryanair) and London - Istanbul (for example), Ryanair will check your visa during boarding, won't find one and won't let you board the flight - for them you're only going to the UK and you don't have a UK visa.

If you can, avoid UK for peace of mind or get a UK visa.
If he is not changing airports or not checkin in luggage in UK, he will not pass through immigration control. This is straightforward. He will be at the airside transit.

But if he does the above he is still allowed to transit if he shows proof of onward ticket before midnight and valid visa or permit for destination.

Ryanair are notorious for giving people headaches and for them you normally have to go to their checkin or office at the airport for a so called OK-to-board.

If he is using other big airlines he will not face trouble to board to UK.

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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by meself2 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:35 pm

Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:34 pm
If he is not changing airports or not checkin in luggage in UK, he will not pass through immigration control. This is straightforward. He will be at the airside transit.
I have to disagree on that. I just quoted you two pages from London airports stating every flight/every international flight has to pass border control.
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Post by Angel99 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:40 pm

meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:35 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:34 pm
If he is not changing airports or not checkin in luggage in UK, he will not pass through immigration control. This is straightforward. He will be at the airside transit.
I have to disagree on that. I just quoted you two pages from London airports stating every flight/every international flight has to pass border control.
Have you ever transited UK before?

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Post by meself2 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:46 pm

Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:40 pm
meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:35 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:34 pm
If he is not changing airports or not checkin in luggage in UK, he will not pass through immigration control. This is straightforward. He will be at the airside transit.
I have to disagree on that. I just quoted you two pages from London airports stating every flight/every international flight has to pass border control.
Have you ever transited UK before?
I did indeed; got two TWOVs back in the day, but one was a risk and second was more or less a necessity, so didn't do this again, going for Schengen zone flights.

Don't know how does my experience can help OP's situation, though.
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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by Angel99 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:54 pm

meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:46 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:40 pm
meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:35 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:34 pm
If he is not changing airports or not checkin in luggage in UK, he will not pass through immigration control. This is straightforward. He will be at the airside transit.
I have to disagree on that. I just quoted you two pages from London airports stating every flight/every international flight has to pass border control.
Have you ever transited UK before?
I did indeed; got two TWOVs back in the day, but one was a risk and second was more or less a necessity, so didn't do this again, going for Schengen zone flights.

Don't know how does my experience can help OP's situation, though.
There is no immigration control at UK airside transit. UK and Ireland also have a CTA which makes it also look like domestic flight when travelling from Dublin to Heathrow or Gatwick. It's similar to schengen. You are stamped-in France, there is no passport control in Sweden...

He must make sure he transit via Heathrow.

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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by Angel99 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:58 pm


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Post by meself2 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:01 pm

Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:54 pm
meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:46 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:40 pm
meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:35 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:34 pm
If he is not changing airports or not checkin in luggage in UK, he will not pass through immigration control. This is straightforward. He will be at the airside transit.
I have to disagree on that. I just quoted you two pages from London airports stating every flight/every international flight has to pass border control.
Have you ever transited UK before?
I did indeed; got two TWOVs back in the day, but one was a risk and second was more or less a necessity, so didn't do this again, going for Schengen zone flights.

Don't know how does my experience can help OP's situation, though.
There is no immigration control at UK airside transit. UK and Ireland also have a CTA which makes it also look like domestic flight when travelling from Dublin to Heathrow or Gatwick. It's similar to schengen. You are stamped-in France, there is no passport control in Sweden...
While true, if airport has no transit zone, a person would have to leave airside and come back inside, which prompts this person to go through passport control before entering the UK - the "stamped in France" in your scenario. They can request a TVOW as an Irish resident, but it may or may not be granted.
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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by Angel99 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:16 pm

meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 4:01 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:54 pm
meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:46 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:40 pm
meself2 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:35 pm
Angel99 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 3:34 pm
If he is not changing airports or not checkin in luggage in UK, he will not pass through immigration control. This is straightforward. He will be at the airside transit.
I have to disagree on that. I just quoted you two pages from London airports stating every flight/every international flight has to pass border control.
Have you ever transited UK before?
I did indeed; got two TWOVs back in the day, but one was a risk and second was more or less a necessity, so didn't do this again, going for Schengen zone flights.

Don't know how does my experience can help OP's situation, though.
There is no immigration control at UK airside transit. UK and Ireland also have a CTA which makes it also look like domestic flight when travelling from Dublin to Heathrow or Gatwick. It's similar to schengen. You are stamped-in France, there is no passport control in Sweden...
While true, if airport has no transit zone, a person would have to leave airside and come back inside, which prompts this person to go through passport control before entering the UK - the "stamped in France" in your scenario. They can request a TVOW as an Irish resident, but it may or may not be granted.
That's why there is Airside transit in Heathrow with exemptions and even change airports with same requirements.

As i stated the OP must have all TVOW 2 and 1 of TVOW3.

. He will only have to deal with the airline from Dublin.

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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by littlerr » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:55 am

Anyone who transits in any UK airport to an Irish airport must always pass through UK border control. This is because flights from the UK to Ireland are treated as domestic flights and passengers must first be admitted into the UK before they can take such domestic flights.

TWOV landside is allowed but an IRP card alone is not sufficient. The UK Government specifically requires such travellers to hold a biometric Irish visa, marked with either BC or BIVS. These are usually only issued to short-term visitors and not Irish residents.

In practice, sometimes border officers will admit certain travellers with an IRP card as an exception, but there is no guarantee. We have lots of successful stories and unsuccessful ones on this forum and on other social network sites.

The latest information on such visa policies is available on UK government website. https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa/y

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Re: Does the Irish Residence Permit have a common format pursuant to council regulation (EC) no. 1030/2002?

Post by Angel99 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:58 am

littlerr wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:55 am
Anyone who transits in any UK airport to an Irish airport must always pass through UK border control. This is because flights from the UK to Ireland are treated as domestic flights and passengers must first be admitted into the UK before they can take such domestic flights.

TWOV landside is allowed but an IRP card alone is not sufficient. The UK Government specifically requires such travellers to hold a biometric Irish visa, marked with either BC or BIVS. These are usually only issued to short-term visitors and not Irish residents.

In practice, sometimes border officers will admit certain travellers with an IRP card as an exception, but there is no guarantee. We have lots of successful stories and unsuccessful ones on this forum and on other social network sites.

The latest information on such visa policies is available on UK government website. https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa/y
If you are transiting from Dublin you don't need to pass through UK border control but when you are travelling to Ireland and transiting UK you might pass through border control.

You dont need another Irish visa if you already have IRP. You need to have IRP plus have all TWOV2 requirements and 1 TWOV3 which is IRP his case.

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Post by Angel99 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:09 am

*Have the right documents for your destination (for example, a visa for that country;

TWOV 1. To be granted permission to enter as a Transit Visitor under the Transit Without Visa Scheme a visa national must meet all the requirements at TWOV 2. and one of the requirements at TWOV 3.

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Post by littlerr » Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:51 am

Dude. I’ve even included the link there. Just click on that and see how wrong you are.

An IRP alone will be refused and has been refused in a large number of scenarios in recent years.

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Post by Angel99 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:41 pm

littlerr wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 10:51 am
Dude. I’ve even included the link there. Just click on that and see how wrong you are.

An IRP alone will be refused and has been refused in a large number of scenarios in recent years.
Click on same link under

*Have the right documents for your destination (for example, "a visa for that country".

I don't think it's recommended to paste other website forums here. You would have realised alot of people have transited with Residence permit from EU, USA visas and Canadian ones recently.

If anyone else has been in Heathrow Airside transit can also confirm how it is.

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Post by spin3210 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:43 pm

*I require visa to visit UK*

Just sharing my personal experience, last time I transited through Heathrow in June-2023. I travel with my family every year from Cork to Heathrow to the destination. We change terminal Aer Lingus <--> Qatar/Emirates airline.

- We never face border control on outbound flight. Heathrow to the destination.
- We always go through immigration control on return, just before Aer Lingus flight to Cork.
- We provide passports + IRP card (earlier stamp 1 and now stamp 4), and they stamp all passports and let us go.

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Post by Angel99 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:53 pm

@littler weren't you same person on this page

ireland/recent-experience-about-enterin ... 31559.html

Now ask the person how he transited twice with IRP. Anyway if a moderator will allow then I can post recent forums on other website with same topic which were successful.

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Post by Angel99 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:56 pm

spin3210 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:43 pm
*I require visa to visit UK*

Just sharing my personal experience, last time I transited through Heathrow in June-2023. I travel with my family every year from Cork to Heathrow to the destination. We change terminal Aer Lingus <--> Qatar/Emirates airline.

- We never face border control on outbound flight. Heathrow to the destination.
- We always go through immigration control on return, just before Aer Lingus flight to Cork.
- We provide passports + IRP card (earlier stamp 1 and now stamp 4), and they stamp all passports and let us go.
Great to hear!

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Post by Hellohellohelp » Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:07 pm

Thank you for the inputs and discussions. I see the links for UK requirements. Is there an official link as well stating that IRP is a common format residence permit? I just wanted to check that as well. I don't if therr are residence permits that are not considered as common format.

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Post by Hellohellohelp » Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:08 pm

spin3210 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:43 pm
*I require visa to visit UK*

Just sharing my personal experience, last time I transited through Heathrow in June-2023. I travel with my family every year from Cork to Heathrow to the destination. We change terminal Aer Lingus <--> Qatar/Emirates airline.

- We never face border control on outbound flight. Heathrow to the destination.
- We always go through immigration control on return, just before Aer Lingus flight to Cork.
- We provide passports + IRP card (earlier stamp 1 and now stamp 4), and they stamp all passports and let us go.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience. Do you change terminals in UK when returning to Cork?

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Post by spin3210 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:15 pm

Hellohellohelp wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:08 pm
spin3210 wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 12:43 pm
*I require visa to visit UK*

Just sharing my personal experience, last time I transited through Heathrow in June-2023. I travel with my family every year from Cork to Heathrow to the destination. We change terminal Aer Lingus <--> Qatar/Emirates airline.

- We never face border control on outbound flight. Heathrow to the destination.
- We always go through immigration control on return, just before Aer Lingus flight to Cork.
- We provide passports + IRP card (earlier stamp 1 and now stamp 4), and they stamp all passports and let us go.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience. Do you change terminals in UK when returning to Cork?
We change terminal within Heathrow airport. I think Qatar Airways operates from Terminal 5 and Aer Lingus from Terminal 2.

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