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This is the private post from our newbie friend.genioglossus wrote:I have seen some of your mails and I am happy that you are one of the black sheep who cant hide their beloved. You should be ashamed of your attitude, people are coming on these forums to get guidance ,not to be bullied by people like you, Make yourself useful and help someone ,and if you cant then join some dearly beloved party.I pray God to give you guidance and understanding that there is no difference in humans ,the difference is only in governaments,so treat everyone as a human.
and how exactly do you do that my friend? Is that a sofa/keyboard-action hero style?Frontier Mole wrote:. As for being worried about them - I enjoy removing them from the UK - better still as a criminal deport after they have had a spell in prison for immigration offences.genioglossus wrote:I have seen some of your mails and I am happy that you are one of the black sheep who cant hide their beloved. You should be ashamed of your attitude, people are coming on these forums to get guidance ,not to be bullied by people like you, Make yourself useful and help someone ,and if you cant then join some dearly beloved party.I pray God to give you guidance and understanding that there is no difference in humans ,the difference is only in governaments,so treat everyone as a human.
Mr. FM, I am following your posts almost every day, I agree with you on most occasions but here I disagree.Frontier Mole wrote:Did not cover judgement angle on the forum - I only state the obvious -"if you went to a bogus college and got a bogus qualification what are you, you’re certainly not a student?" That being the case as such I am going to point that out and the consequences of their action.
A migrant or an immigration offender. The latter I dislike, the former is more than welcome until or if they become the latter.
I am not the one judging - they have brought it on themselves. I did not go out and force them to break the law. They made that decision and took their chance. I am certainly not going to offer sympathy and support. I am going to tell it as it is.
What immigration abusers do not like is being told that they are liars, deceivers and fraudsters. Can't see why not - that is what they are.
key words - IF [the subject working for UKBA] and MIGHT [be of any help]. imho, none of these are valid. Agreed otherwise.bototo wrote:I certainly do not approve of his general bullying tone. To call people brainless idiots is a violation of this forum's rules. Whatever you think or feel about other members there is no excuse for rudeness.
Further, I have to state that working for UKBA doesn't make you infallible - just like in other departments of the government the UKBA must have its own share of less than bright bulbs.
There have been occasions where you've provided wrong advice, misleading directions and general comments designed to put people off applying for visas rather than answering their questions. That seems to be your purpose here - to demonstrate your "superiority" and to dissuade applications. Putting others down seems to make you feel good. And that's a shame because IF you really work for the UKBA you have the potential to be a valued and respected member of these forums.
Also what happens is after a while one gets a little jaded here with the same old issues, same old questions, and we are mostly not legal people we do get pissed off and a little abrasive.tsmoussa wrote:actually nobody can consider FM as a dearly beloved, we don't know his race or religious or anything about his background
he might be an asian born in UK, he might be white or black
what i am trying to say, you not happy with his comments, i understand, cause he's little bit harsh but definitely..................
NOT dearly beloved
D1mitryD1mitry wrote:
key words - IF [the subject working for UKBA] and MIGHT [be of any help]. imho, none of these are valid. Agreed otherwise.
As previously stipulated, dont want to be dragged into a local feud, but the subject is more like a wannabe, not the actual material. Besides, openly dispensing degrading comments and being an employee of UKBA can potentially ensure that his wages are paid by the local DSS office in form of the Job seeker allowance and a court hearing re: beloved.
the call is his)
Now here we go again. My friend I agree with you as well on most occasions but you were very violent and harsh on calling an ECO a dog.D1mitry wrote:Mole
Your comment is valid, truth is being perceived very differently by different individuals. There is no doubt that a blatant lie in the eye of the beholder is crystal clear and
honest.
I am still reserved in accepting that an UKBA employee will attempt to unleash a hell and still a bit more by replying to somewhat repetitive comments of the ordinary
immigrants, half of whom - myself included - pass the round of lodging applications through solicitors and having answers to their questions in order to save some 250
odd quid. There are things, such as IP's, even traces of the dynamic IPs, so no-one is invisible these days. In my judgement this would be silly. From my strategic
management classes, that would be a fixating on a single brick outta whole brick wall. Questionnable enjoyment will little value added.
However, if I were to accept the fact that you were an employee, this would indicate someone in a limited decision making capacity. Your supposed experiences of the
system are valid; a person with the say in such situations would react by uncovering and passing valid judgement. This, according to your words poses a "retaliation" problem, which without putting words in any other way - leads to institutional beloved, alike with Scandinavian experience.
Migration is inevitable and in most cases positive - it contains active content in form of employees, business people, even people who are seeking access to the labour market and gaining respect for paying his/her way in life - an experience, which perhaps was denied or limited in their home country. None of my problem - that would be you valid and accepted argument; the Newton's thermodynamics law stipulate that force is not wasted - it is being translated into a different type of force. Spill-offs of the educated and ambitious people world-wide will be seeking better opportunities world-wide. This explains the fact of the English finance banker in Moscow, Dutch head of BT, etc. It would be silly to dismiss or to associate this segment with rocking the immigration boats world-wide.
On the other hand, there is economically inactive and parasytical part of the migrant count. Some people feel that the system owes them, for whatever reasons - whether the 200 rule or use of human resources in Dunkurk during the ww2. Needless to say that system should attempt to minimise the effect of this segment by influencing this segment through tranining and education and by enacting its own immigration system.
My own experience of being in a British embassy was in N****. I was waiting to collect my visa when I happened to over-hear the interview in one of the rooms. The immigration officer plainly shouted and degraded the crying woman. I have no particulars of the case to operate, but it seems that in one of the questions the woman did not provide the "correct" answer and the ECO acted as the trained dog to kill. My experience was extremely negative as it did display what you are talking about - general feel within the HO. Given position and card blanche to act people can take on the role of the gate-keeper, or in terms of the Vyshinky - Stalin's chief executor - I AM THE LAW.
This is true - my gf applied for her first visa in Ekaterinburg and while she was ok, one woman was totally slaughtered by the ECO, but having said that she was woefully underprepared, only passport, visa app form and money, no docs at all for fiance visa....D1mitry wrote: My own experience of being in a British embassy was in N****. I was waiting to collect my visa when I happened to over-hear the interview in one of the rooms. The immigration officer plainly shouted and degraded the crying woman. I have no particulars of the case to operate, but it seems that in one of the questions the woman did not provide the "correct" answer and the ECO acted as the trained dog to kill. My experience was extremely negative as it did display what you are talking about - general feel within the HO. Given position and card blanche to act people can take on the role of the gate-keeper, or in terms of the Vyshinky - Stalin's chief executor - I AM THE LAW.
The most vivid examples of N would be in Gogol's work.....Wanderer wrote:D1mitry wrote:
Now I'm wondering where N**** is! Dostoyevski does that in the russian version of Crime and Punishment I'm struggling through, V**** Most' etc....
Totally agree. Having FM in the forum is an advantage for many people. Check out the other forums. Plus most comments from him are honest and makes sense. Yes as I mentioned in some other subject, some of his comments could offend/upset some people, but its the truth.William Blake wrote:I think it would be a loss to the board to lose the insight of Frontier Mole.
I personally have been helped tremendously and invaluably through the immigration process by his sagely advice. I think he is here to help anyone. This especially evident from the amount of his personal time and effort that he sacrifices to give prompt and timely advice and it is also useful to hear the countervailing viewpoint. I don't think you should take his contrary views too personally just dwell on the useful points.
I don't think a ban should even be contemplated.
That comment just took away from your position.iceman010899 wrote:William Blake wrote:I don't think a ban should even be contemplated.
And one last thing. Ive noticed some poor english from some of the members. Genuine students shouldn't have problems writing a simple sentence, now sorry if that makes me sound harsh. Lets stop with the [dumb] comments and use the forum for the benefit of everyone. Ok cool.
iceman010899 wrote:And one last thing. Ive noticed some poor english from some of the members. Genuine students shouldn't have problems writing a simple sentence, now sorry if that makes me sound harsh. Lets stop with the harsh comments and use the forum for the benefit of everyone. Ok cool.
I think that the problem is that lots of these people are claiming to have UK post graduate qualifications. Lots of them seem to have "studied" at a college that an undercover BBC reporter was able to buy a PGDip certificate from. This says something to me. I have never criticised someone's standard of English on this forum, because it is almost always not relevant. However, I think it is highly relevant when you claim to have a UK qualification that is above bachelors level.republique wrote:That comment just took away from your position.
Everyone should write proper English but you don't where they are coming from, how far they have gone or anything about them to make an issue on this point.