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smmmuc
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Border checks travelling with Directive 2004/38/EC ?

Post by smmmuc » Sat May 04, 2024 8:31 am

Hi all,

we (German citizen and non-EU-spouse (russian)) want to travel the EU while waiting for the German family reunion visa. My spouse has a multiple entry Schengen visa at the moment which we will use to enter the EU (Hungary or Croatia). However the visa expires during the trip. We want to stay 2/3 months in Czechia, 2/3 moths in Croatia and maybe some 2/3 months to Hungary before exiting in Hungary or Croatia to Serbia. All travel will be by land and cross the borders together.

The question is now if we need any documentation for our stays? If so what kind of documentation do we need to keep to show at the border when exiting EU/Schengen area when refering to travelling with the EU directive? What are your experiences?

Are border checks easier if we get a visa for the period(s) after our now used (and used for reentering) Schengen visa expires?

Thanks for advices :)

Angel99
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Re: Border checks travelling with Directive 2004/38/EC ?

Post by Angel99 » Sat May 04, 2024 10:30 am

smmmuc wrote:
Sat May 04, 2024 8:31 am
Hi all,

we (German citizen and non-EU-spouse (russian)) want to travel the EU while waiting for the German family reunion visa. My spouse has a multiple entry Schengen visa at the moment which we will use to enter the EU (Hungary or Croatia). However the visa expires during the trip. We want to stay 2/3 months in Czechia, 2/3 moths in Croatia and maybe some 2/3 months to Hungary before exiting in Hungary or Croatia to Serbia. All travel will be by land and cross the borders together.

The question is now if we need any documentation for our stays? If so what kind of documentation do we need to keep to show at the border when exiting EU/Schengen area when refering to travelling with the EU directive? What are your experiences?

Are border checks easier if we get a visa for the period(s) after our now used (and used for reentering) Schengen visa expires?

Thanks for advices :)
Hi,

You can stay in EU with your spouse after the visa has a expired. The 90/180 days limit is not required for EU family members.

You need to have your marriage certificate translated in English since the language is global and you are moving within multiple countries. If you already have it in German use that. Russia is part of the apostille convention and Germany is also an EU country so if your marriage certificate is from 1 of these countries you don't need to legalise it again.

After you return from your trip, your spouse can apply for a visa for EU family members and re-enter Schengen with you anytime you both wish. Or get an entry stamp at the EU land border nearest to Russia.

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Re: Border checks travelling with Directive 2004/38/EC ?

Post by Angel99 » Sat May 04, 2024 10:41 am

******If you plan to visit Germany during your trip, do not let the visa expire there. Incase the Immigration checks your spouse there it will impact her Aufenthaltserlaubnis.****

Your spouse can only overtstay in other EU/Schengen countries.

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Re: Border checks travelling with Directive 2004/38/EC ?

Post by smmmuc » Sat May 04, 2024 12:18 pm

Thank you Angel999 for your response! It confirms what we are assuming the legal situation is.

The Czech republic confirms your and our point of view:
https://mzv.gov.cz/jnp/en/information_f ... index.html

As a family member of an EU citizen, you can temporarily stay (for up to 90 days) in the Czech Republic without a visa, if one of the following applies to you:
2. You are a family member of the EU citizen, your Schengen visa has expired, you are staying in the Czech Republic with the EU citizen and this stay does not exceed three months.

Unfortunately no other country writes it so clear about the Schengen visa expiring.

But my question was meant slightly differently (Sorry, I was unclear):

Do we need any documentation about how and where we stayed when exiting? Imagine it's mid 2025 or so and us arriving at Röszke (Hungary) showing the passport to the border guard and the most recent stamp is the entry stamp from July 2024 or so and the last visa expired also in 2024. Are they going to demand any proof of our stays (besides the passport and marriage certificate thing - it's from Denmark btw and should be good in the EU)? Is it enough to have an Excel sheet printed out with where we were on what date? Or do we need to show tickets that we actually travelled between the countries? Or do we need to show a bank statement or a booking of the accomodation we stayed at? Are they going to call the accomodations to find out if we actually stayed there? Or a bank statement with spendings at those times in those countries? Or don't they care at all as long as it's clear that we didn't overstay the 90 days in a row in the country that we're about to leave (Hungary)?

To clarify the situation: My husband doesn't have a residency for over 2 years now. He left Russia for good and we assume it is unsafe to step on Russian soil for him. So for 2 years he's a "permanent tourist" and is changing countries every few weeks/months according to his Schengen visa and the visa free stay policies of countries like Turkey, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Albania etc. This is why it is a major issue to get any new visa because you have to apply for those in your country of residence otherwise the embacies don't feel generally responsible and I would like to avoid this step. As mentioned we are in the process of getting a residency in Germany but it takes long. Since he doesn't have a home in Russia (or anywhere else beside the home with me in Germany) to go back we have to somehow to bridge this waiting time.

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Re: Border checks travelling with Directive 2004/38/EC ?

Post by Angel99 » Sat May 04, 2024 1:17 pm

The Czechs are trying to inform you that you can stay for max 3 months in each EU country without a visa if you are with your EU spouse.

If you would like to stay more than 3 months in each EU country you need to apply for EU-Residence Card however they give the EU citizen 6 months to find work, which means you can stay with the EU spouse 6 months in Czechia. Some EU countries don't even care (France, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany,Sweden).

You do not need to prove anything when you are exiting Schengen area/EU. You are not even fingerprinted at the airport, this proves you have unlimited stay (By EU directive law for EU family, you are not supposed to be fingerprinted until you apply for residence).

Your Danmark marriage certificate is accepted in all EU countries. If it's not in multilingual language just get an English translation.

Your EU entry stamps in your passport is irrelevant if you are an EU family member.

No one cares about where you lived or your tickets in EU.


****The best option for you and your husband was to move to another EU country (Hungary,Croatia or even Czechia or Austria so on,), he finds employment there or has sufficient money in his bank account and health insurance then you apply for Residence Card there. Then 6 months you move with your Residence Card to Germany to live there. With this, the Ausländerbehörde will give you 2 options (apply for Aufenthatskarte-EU or Aufenthaltserlaubnis). You choose the first one so you don't need any family unification requirements.****

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