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u have to swich to psw visa then u can only apply for tire 1 general category.tuliprose wrote:Thanks sir. Actually i had plan to apply for Tier 1 General but i need £29000 to claim points for income but i could earn only £24500. Thats why i wanted to extend it for one more year by paying just £400 Home office fees. And can apply whenever i'll be able to get 75 points.
Do you think anything negative, if i send the application to extend for PSW.
Many thanks.
It is up to the applicant to show that they meet the rules, not for UKBA to show that they do not.So, its really pathetic and heartbreaking for me when someone tries to put students like us in a position where you need to proof yourself genuine
Unfortunately a lot of students have not completed a proper degree, but an internally awarded certificate from a college that has been shown to be completely questionable at the least.I believe once you have completed your degree, you must move on.
Forgetting to lock your door and fogetting to establish well manged immigration system is not the same thing. We are talking about an immigration system of a country like UK. I have seen so many people and students abusing immigration systems in this country year after year. How come a student lives in this country for 10 years without any acrredited qualification and gain permanent residency. This is the fault of the system. Look at Canada, Australia, Newzealand etc. Even the low graded colleges over there offer a minimum standard of tuition. Students do not get away by abusing the immigration system there. Ask your friends and families who studied in Australia or Canada to verify. Also I have seen students going to cheap colleges to study when you put pressure on them to attend the college. I worked part time in a uni as a south asian regional coordinator and also I worked in 2 private colleges as IT/admin assistant. I have seen very closely the problems of private colleges. Trust me, I know near about 15-20 colleges' owners who have struggled months after months to get students into class. I remember in 2005 one college terminated the admission of 68 students for non attendance. The result was, the college was in huge financial crisis and sold out to a different party. The new management came in and started doing fradulent activities. The college owners earned a handful amount of money and were never caught by the Home Office. I personally received complaints against the College from some genuine students. I notified HO complaince team on that issue and provided them some evidence which I had taken from the students coz they have paid deposits which were not refunded. Colleges are required to offer 15 hours of organised study and their class routine shows only one day of class. The classroom can accommodate only 20 students where as they have enrolled more than hundred students for a particualr programme without offering any alternative class shifts. No action was taken so far and the college owners have shifted to a big campus and got themselves accredited. Now a days they are offering genuine tuition (I came to know from students studying there) after abusing the system for a couple of years. I can give you hundred of examples. I faced HO compliance (unannounced) visit for twice. I discussed issues with HO complaiance officers. I should say on both occassions they were really good and helpful and provided a lot of suggestions regarding international recruitment and quality assurance. But the main problems were always overlooked.PaperPusher wrote:http://www.ait.gov.uk/Public/Unreported/OA239832008.doc
I forgot to post the link.
About loopholes, just because you forget to lock your door does not mean that a burglar should get away with stealing all your posessions.
PBS is not up and running fully yet for students. As far as I am aware, all private colleges will get visited. They will also only be able to sponsor students that they actually have capacity for.
Maybe it is a closing down sale for bogus colleges at the moment. They want to make as much money as possible before they run.
I do not think it is up to UKBA to organise refunds for students. That should have gone to trading standards.I notified HO complaince team on that issue and provided them some evidence which I had taken from the students coz they have paid deposits which were not refunded
And the system is changing. Unfortunately organised criminals exploit weaknesses in any system, whether that is financial fraud, organised tax fraud and so on. Just when the system changes, they change their methods.How come a student lives in this country for 10 years without any acrredited qualification and gain permanent residency. This is the fault of the system.
I faced HO compliance (unannounced) visit for twice. I discussed issues with HO complaiance officers. I should say on both occassions they were really good and helpful and provided a lot of suggestions regarding international recruitment and quality assurance. But the main problems were always overlooked.
I am sorry but I cannot fully understand what you have written. What is a "back date". What does "requision" mean.I reported one student to HO due to non attendance in the last week of April 2008. He went to a different college and got himself enrolled on a back date (Jan 2008) and got his visa extension done. I have his hand written requision launched in feb 2008. I reported him coz he was absent continuously for 7 weeks and did not answer any of the warnings. He got his extension in July 2008. I had his visa copy which says his visa was expiring on 31st July 2008. In fact, the college from where he extended the visa is also accredited and have partnership with a Uk university.
I think we should all remember that the vast majority of students are genuine. There may be problems with some colleges, but they are a minority of those offering courses to international students. I am also counting publicly funded unis, which a large number attend.Now it has come to a point where it's really difficult to filter genuine students from a large number of ingenuine ones
There do appear to be problems. PBS for students is coming in this year, I think this will help. Nevertheless, you just have to read the papers to see the outrage from universities about more stringent rules, and the amount of lobbying that they have done against anything that would put more formal responsibilities on to them. A system is open to challenge if it only applies to a certain sector of the higher education market, and even claims of beloved. Lots of the private colleges are run by people not born in the UK.Now my point is you must agree that the whole system is faulty and measures should have been taken a long ago to stop this. Now it has come to a point where it's really difficult to filter genuine students from a large number of ingenuine ones. I dont blame the ingenuine community for this. I always blame the system which helped them to become ingenuine. Also by nature people always choose the easier option, most of them do not think while choosing the wrong one. The system kept the abusive options open and now blaming people for choosing that.
Thanks for your post. Frontier, I studied hard and struggled a lot for a better life. I attended many seminars in different countries and recruited a lot of students who gained recognised qualifications in UK. Somehow I always feel that I worked hard and made contribution to this country and I must not be deprived. I can invite you to come to my institution at any time to see how I have managed to establish and standardise the quality assurance procedures, student welfare system, automated attendance and progress monitoring and recording system, HO complaiance mechanism, international recruitment tracking including no shows etc. after i was appointed senior administrator (business operation). I insisted my neighbouring colleges to get registered with VAT and suggested them to provide genuine qualifications. Its good to have 100 regular, standard fee paying genuine students rather than having 500 ingenuines. I arranged partnership agreement with a UK university for the institution where I work.Frontier Mole wrote:Shan77
I agree with you that genuine students should not be penalised when a college is found to be doing something wrong and is stuck off the register.
There is a balance point between the achieving the right thing and doing the right thing. I hope the OP gets through the process and is successful. I am pointing to the fact based on the closure of the college and his qualification he is unlikely to be successful.
That does not mean give up. I said he should try his luck as there might be a break point when the abuse was identified as starting. If that is the case - I do not know if it is - then he might sail through the process if he gained the PGD before that date. If he had said he was a CCL student I would say don't bother and go home!
It might also suggest that he backs up his application with evidence beyond that required to show that he undertook study, achieved XY&Z and has other ways of demonstrating he is the genuine article. He has taken this on board and has asked the question - how do I do this? Unfortunately due to the circumstances there is a reluctance from those that would normally give advice on this matter to do so.
The onus is on any and all students to back up their visa applications. The problem comes to a head when the scale of a noted abuse overtakes the number of possible students. This is where the guilty overwhelm the innocent to the degree that the legal test applied in immigration - the balance of probability - flips over to be plainly against the genuine student.
When it becomes more likely that your award / qualification is fake than real the genuine students have to battle against the tide of evidence that is placed before them.
Life is not always fair and there will be genuine students that are unable to further their stay in the UK because of the greed and dishonesty of others. It is a sad fact life.
That college was abusing the system and was issuing fake enrolments. A report was also sent to Trading standard.I do not think it is up to UKBA to organise refunds for students. That should have gone to trading standards.
Back date means though he went there in July 2008 but he was shown as a student of that college since january 2008. In my college the student must fill up a requisiton form if they require any kind of college letter.I am sorry but I cannot fully understand what you have written. What is a "back date". What does "requision" mean.
I know but when they change they must notify their current college. And also they are not allowed to enrol themselves on a previous session. The one I was talking about, I didn't work there. I persaonally know the owner, who was genuine and also he is a very experienced chartered accountant (FCA) in profession.Students are entitled to change their course. Perhaps the student was not attending your college because they had decided to go to a different one, as you said the one you worked in had problems and the students were dropping like flies.
I think you didn't get my point. I reported them to HO. Not only me, some other colleges in that area also reported them because they were becoming harmful for the business. What I wanted to point out is, though they abused the system, they remain unnoticed and got away without having any sort of problems.If your suggestion is that the college that the student went to provided fraudulent documents, why did you not report it? Colleges that do that sort of thing effect decent colleges. Anyway, you say the new college is accredited.
He was our student for more than a year. Though he left but his file is with us. And we have his passport and visa copy in the file. Its still with us on the cancelled student section.I would like to know how you got a copy of their visa after they left the college!
I am in education industry for a very long time. I already mentioned I worked part time for different institutions while I was a student. I started working full time as senior administrator after the completion of my study programme and being granted IGS. But I will continue studying part time beside my work.PaperPusher wrote:shan77
What are you doing, studying or running a college?
I dont agree with you coz the student must take his attendance letter and progress before leaving the college to proof his continution of study programme in order to satisfy UKBA while going for his visa extension.Out of courtesy perhaps, but there is no requirement for a student to do that from a UKBA point of view.
Not necessarily, unless the college is the sort not to provide it at a later date on request, knowing that the student may need it.I dont agree with you coz the student must take his attendance letter and progress before leaving the college
4a)in order to get an extension of leave a student must inform a college that they are leaving the college if this is before the course completion date.
If the applicant fails to satisfy 4a) they are to be refused leave to remain
Does it allow the student to stay without study for 7 weeks during term time where his roommate has notified us that he's not studying anywhere and working in an indian resturant for full time. In a semester if a student is absent for 7 weeks how come he will satisfy the attendance requirement of UKBA? Please remember we surely knew that he was not enrolled or attending any other colleges at that time. I assume that the main reason of his absence was overdue of tuition fees and his intention to work full time.PaperPusher wrote:Not necessarily, unless the college is the sort not to provide it at a later date on request, knowing that the student may need it.I dont agree with you coz the student must take his attendance letter and progress before leaving the college
As I said there is no requirement from UKBA to inform the college that they are leaving. The requirement is to show satifactory attendance and progress including the passing of relevant exams. I will put it another way, the Immigration Rules do not state something like this!
4a)in order to get an extension of leave a student must inform a college that they are leaving the college if this is before the course completion date.
If the applicant fails to satisfy 4a) they are to be refused leave to remain
