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Do you listen to your self or think twice before writing in this forum at all? Where did you get that impression from? This forum primarily brings people together to share their experiences, learn from and help each other. So what is your angle?Vikingdub wrote:Reading the posts on this forum I get the distinct impression that there is a prevailing "entitlement attitude".
So should applicants be degraded and dehumanized because of this?Vikingdub wrote:Please remember that naturalisation is a privilege and not a right.
So why are these guidelines and criteria published if they are not sufficient or exhaustive for the purpose they are meant for?Vikingdub wrote:There are guidelines and criteria for the requirements for an application to be considered, however, fulfilling the criteria does not automatically confer any rights on the applicant.
Perharps you can add 2 extra digits to that number, say 300 years...Vikingdub wrote: The State, rightly, investigates each individual application and takes the time necessary to verify the content of the application, if that process takes 3 years, to be it.
This present climate was not there before. Besides there is no relationship between the economic climate and workers doing there job at the right time, and properly too...Vikingdub wrote:The State has limited resources and in the present climate there is no economic justification for increasing the staffing levels at the DOJ.
So perharps those whose applications were processed on time will have less respect for the citizenship granted to them...Vikingdub wrote:If you rembember that citizenship is a privilege that has to be earned you will have more respect for it when (if) it is granted.
scrudu wrote:Vikingdub: Relax the kaks man. There's no need to be so belligerent or rude in your messages to Exchange. Give her info back but there's no need for that attitude.Vikingdub wrote:How much clearer does it have to be made to you. You knew the rules when you were given the stamp, the situation will not change.
No one called me back.mktsoi wrote:she said someone will call you from DOJ. did anyone actually call you back? did they solve the issue for you?IrelandHopeful wrote:I prayed before calling them (believe me, it has come to that...).
I asked the usual question 'for the status of my application'.
I was told the same old story 'still waiting for Garda clearance'.
Then I informed her that I applied in Jan 2005, all additional documents requested of me (i.e. bank stats, P21, payslips, birth & marriage affidavits) were promptly submitted.
I then went a step further and said that I had been informed since over a year ago, that my application was awaiting Garda clearance before going to the minister. I then went further again, 'this surely can't take 12 months'.
So she said, that's true, it doesn't take that long...'your application is being handled in the Dublin office'... 'hold on the phone while I check your files'
Now, my people, hold your breathe a moment...
The lady said 'IT APPEARS THAT THE GARDA CLEARANCE ACTUALLY CAME IN BUT A NEW ONE WAS REQUESTED BECAUSE IT HAD BECOME OUTDATED'
Now, now, I found that very confusing. I asked her what she meant by 'outdated'? And she said it was dated over 12 months ago.
I felt like crying. I told her this is the same document that held up my application and it was with them for over 12 months ...
And she apologised and said someone will call me...
i dont know, i could be wrong here. in states is little bit different than ireland, but correct me please if i am wrong about this. as far as i know, in us the A, the green card application is up the the employer and not the employee him/herslf. so if the employer doesnt want to put in the green card application for you, there is nothing you can do about it unless you won the green card lotto or married to american.burbero wrote:This is not true, at least in relation of the US - my friend lives there for 12 years (6 studing, 6 working) - he is still waiting for Green Card . If he loses his job now (which is very much probable in the next few months) he has to leave the country immediately. There is no transparency in the Green Card processing at all (unlike Ireland where you can at least call support number and get some notification of your status). Through lawyers he was promised GC to be issued in March of last year, then in November. Now lawyers even don't give any timeframe indications.mktsoi wrote: look, i think most of the people will agree with you about the privilege part and it is not entitlement for all the applicants when they apply for naturalization in ireland. you see, here is something different between ireland and the rest of the english speaking countries has large amount of immigrants. canada, us, australia and nz, they all give out permanent residency first to immigrant before citizenship. at least while the immigrant waiting for the citizenship application decision, they wont be worry about being kick out from the country if they ever loss their job or something.
Have another friend who had to leave the US last year after 6 years of working there.
It is not correct to say that all public sectors are slow and therefore we must not blame INIS. Why go only 8 yrs back to Harcourt days? Just go 30 yrs back when there was a drought, everyone ate potatoes and left to US in crude ships. The country's economy is pear shaped just because irish lived in false complacent world during celtic era.EireIreland wrote:I am not sure why complaining about INIS work.
First you can not compare Ireland with Australia, New Zealand - they are immigration countries with points system including IELTS tests. You have to pay before you enter the country and have to prove that you have enough funds for first year. You did not need that in Ireland.
Why focusing on INIS work? Look what is the case in the hospitals, waiting time for beds. Or remember last year's fiasco with driving tests? It is the way everything is done in Ireland.
I personally do not complain on these items from several reasons. I choose Ireland as I got work here. I accept the country and people as they are, not to be changed by my standards or expectations. Rules are changed by INIS as they go, and that is fact. But then, everyone here on this forum had 5 years to realize do they like staying in Ireland or not with all its strengths and weaknesses. It was our decision to apply for naturalization - INIS did not force us to do it. If we did not like it we would move out.
The good thing from positive side is that INIS are moving applications much faster now then ever. Just remind yourself how long you would wait at Immigration for green card in 2001 in Harcourt street and these days for renewal or registration? Same for visa - much smoother now.
So keep positive attitude and wait for the magic INIS approval any day now.
Cheers,
EireIreland
@ Fionn:Fionn wrote:Haha..He's probably the guy who many of you mentioned already..the one who is always very rude when he picks up the phone at INIS..
Or he's just someone who needs to get a life..Why would you bother logging into a forum if you're not even concerned by the subject...It's like any of us logging on a forum for @French naturalisation@ and starting making smart comments...
Some people just have nothing to do in life...
@ Vikingdub:Vikingdub wrote:Thank you all for your reponses to my posting - I plan to read each carefully and to post a reply to all of the issues raised in the coming days.
They always say the garda clearance process takes 6 month, so the question here if the report didn't come up by the 6th month ? What will the INIS guys will do ? Like any proper follow up ?robin_hood wrote:I phoned INIS today to check on my application.
Applied - January 2006
Ref Number - 68/4xx/06
Additional info requested - July 2008
Submitted and received by INIS - 22/08/2008
Current Status - waiting on Garda clearance, which was requested at the end of August 2008.
I asked if there was any other information they were waiting for - the lady said "no".
didnt you read it in this forum here, someone been told the garda report was requested for his application. after the inis got it, the inis waited for too long (usually by international standard.). the garda report was out of date after one year from the date of issue! so he/she has been told that inis will request the garda report again lolololol. may be vikingdub can make a comment on this one heheheheDublin1 wrote:They always say the garda clearance process takes 6 month, so the question here if the report didn't come up by the 6th month ? What will the INIS guys will do ? Like any proper follow up ?robin_hood wrote:I phoned INIS today to check on my application.
Applied - January 2006
Ref Number - 68/4xx/06
Additional info requested - July 2008
Submitted and received by INIS - 22/08/2008
Current Status - waiting on Garda clearance, which was requested at the end of August 2008.
I asked if there was any other information they were waiting for - the lady said "no".
Indeed 'Dublin1'...you are correct it is just 3 years. Impressively your application goes through the Commission on Naturalisation, then approval is sort in the Lower House of Parliament, and finally the King ratifies the approved request and the naturalisation will be published in the Belgian State Gazette. Very Official & Publicised !Dublin1 wrote:
I been told in Belguim u can apply after 3 years.
At least we are legal and documented immigrants. Ireland should remove the log of wood in their own eyes before telling Obama to remove the dot from America's eyes.sat wrote:Interesting:
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/lette ... 11806.html
whose gona help the legal immigrants in Ireland. Paying taxes and waiting patiently n hearing lame excuses.. And the person in article is MEP.. interesting...
Perharps he's backed off and run away after the 'boo...get lost' responses he got to his stupid posts?? scared cat. We don't need people like him here anyway. Good riddance to bad rubbishHeybabyy wrote:VikingDub worked hard from 10-12.30 on thursday to reply to all your phone calls asking INIS about application status. Even after drinking ample cups of tea/coffee with his colleagues for rest of the afternoon, the tiredness remains. The govt announcement of placing levy on pension for civil servants is cited as another cause for the tiredness and headache. Due to this, he may not be able to fulfil the promise made earlier "I plan to read each carefully and to post a reply to all of the issues raised in the coming days." You may have to wait for 6 months before you hear back.![]()