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I applied for appeal as well.picolla wrote:Guys any news
I just appealed today. waiting for AIT response.
Frontier Mole wrote:Salam123 & bex etc are all false identities mostly from the same person! More than likely to be the same idiot as EliteDuck & ElitePig..... so looking for support from those posters is not going to help you.
As for an appeal, you can not win as those that ran the college have stated that the PGD's were false and not a single student was awarded a certificate based on study. They have categorically stated that the college did not offer a course of study for the PGD's. It therefore leads to the simple conclusion that the PGD is not a qualification and therefore can not be awarded the points under PBS. End of really.
What ever you thought you studied or were examined on is irrelevant as it is clear that no matter the study or the exam result an award would have been granted. The qualification is not a qualification and is meaningless as so is any claim to achieve the qualification through study.
I think your legal rep's are scamming you as much as CCL. They know under PBS it is a straight case of YES or NO in the qualification box. No recognised qualification then no points. It is not about arguing if you were a student or not. The only argument is if it is a recognised qualification. So who is the awarding body - CCL - will they be able to come to court and state the qualification is real - that would be a NO.
Hi Frontier MoleFrontier Mole wrote:Salam123 & bex etc are all false identities mostly from the same person! More than likely to be the same idiot as EliteDuck & ElitePig..... so looking for support from those posters is not going to help you.
As for an appeal, you can not win as those that ran the college have stated that the PGD's were false and not a single student was awarded a certificate based on study. They have categorically stated that the college did not offer a course of study for the PGD's. It therefore leads to the simple conclusion that the PGD is not a qualification and therefore can not be awarded the points under PBS. End of really.
What ever you thought you studied or were examined on is irrelevant as it is clear that no matter the study or the exam result an award would have been granted. The qualification is not a qualification and is meaningless as so is any claim to achieve the qualification through study.
I think your legal rep's are scamming you as much as CCL. They know under PBS it is a straight case of YES or NO in the qualification box. No recognised qualification then no points. It is not about arguing if you were a student or not. The only argument is if it is a recognised qualification. So who is the awarding body - CCL - will they be able to come to court and state the qualification is real - that would be a NO.
No one will speand that much money. Only thing we can do keep in touch with each other and give information to each other.badboy wrote:Hi all!
Guys I want you all to know that all CCL students should file a case against Home Office. Only those who have the evidence that they actually studied their should get together and file a ''collective case '' against HO.
Step-1: Appeal
Step-2 Judicial Review.
You will need top lawyers and to hire one, you guys need to be united and get the resources ready..
My refusal came through the post today so anyone wanting to pursue the fight against the system contact me on sunyxx009@hotmail.co.uk
Cheers
All this has been thrashed out before in previous posts.picolla wrote:so how about those? who got PSW through ccl earlier. Dodgy people get away but whoever genuine, they are stuck in this drama.
In DIUS website, it is mentioned that listed bodies are those who deliver courses for time being that lead to degrees awarded by recognised bodies. In that sense, ccl was in listed bodies. That means they are delivering right course, otherwise it should not have been in the listed bodies.
And in HO website, in point based calculator, it is asked, where u studied for qualification is on the listed bodies or not
so ccl was on the listed bodies. obviously it was been checked by govt. bodies and include them in the listed bodies.
If HO refuse now, it is contradictory between ho and dcfs.
Remember the proof you need is that the qualification that you are relying on is real. Proof of attendance or study is of no value in these circumstances. PBS is a simple calculation based process that only awards points on the basis of evidence. The evidence put forward by UKBA in this circumstance is that the qualification is not real so therefore you can not be awarded the points.Hi Frontier Mole
I read all you fourms, I respect what you said in past. Only thing I want to say you just wait.......
we have some proof that we are right.
I am not saying I will win but I will try my best.
+1Frontier Mole wrote:Remember the proof you need is that the qualification that you are relying on is real. Proof of attendance or study is of no value in these circumstances. PBS is a simple calculation based process that only awards points on the basis of evidence. The evidence put forward by UKBA in this circumstance is that the qualification is not real so therefore you can not be awarded the points.Hi Frontier Mole
I read all you fourms, I respect what you said in past. Only thing I want to say you just wait.......
we have some proof that we are right.
I am not saying I will win but I will try my best.
Whatever your claim it has to be outlined in the appeal application. There are no surprises in the appeal process, no mystery witnesses on the day of the hearing etc. So unless you can produce hard evidence that the qualification is real and has meaning then you will fail.
The same can be said for UKBA – they will need to provide evidence that the position they maintain is based on hard evidence. This could be any manner of things, trans scripts of interviews from the college operators, evidence gathered at the raid, witness statements from students who bought their awards ( oh yes!), fake qualification lists stating who paid what & when, evidence by omission – the lack of examination papers or course work and on and on it goes.
The court could happily accept you studied, produced course work and even sat exams. Those activities do not make the qualification acceptable or genuine. I think many believe if they can prove they did these activities it adds weight to the claim the qualification is worth while. That is not the case. The court can concede all that you argue but it will not change the weight given to the qualification. It is still a fake qualification. Those that bought the qualification straight off the shelf or those that studied to gain the qualification are in no better position. They all have the same bit of worthless paper, it is simply not a recognised qualification. If it is not recognised then it is irrelevant how you came by the document.
If you find a diamond ring or buy a diamond ring and in both instances it is a fake diamond then the outcome is the same. You have a fake diamond ring!
You will have more of a point in law if you bought it but if the seller is not there any longer then you are no better off. In the simplest of terms that is why everyone relying on the CCL PGD qualifications is in the same boat.
I agree with FM. What he said is absolutely right. And student those are linked with BITE,CCL and LCMIT can not do anything against HO. ANd those already got visa from these insititutes, thier visas will be revoked.PaperPusher wrote:I just love the fact that throughout this all, everyone seems to have forgotten that they are supposed to know each other, no need therefore to request only those with evidence stick together. This is a small college in a business centre/office block. And I still have had no answer to my questions about the number of classrooms, or even the numbers in any one's class!!
Saying that, it would be a simple test, get someone on the door. All those they recognise from their class get in to talk & plan, anyone else gets sent on their way.
I would prefer it if they hire a big hall for the 1000 or however many "students" & then plan how to explain to the Judge that they all fit in their classsroom.
I agree with FM. What he said is absolutely right. And student those are linked with BITE,CCL and LCMIT can not do anything against HO. ANd those already got visa from these insititutes, thier visas will be revoked.PaperPusher wrote:I just love the fact that throughout this all, everyone seems to have forgotten that they are supposed to know each other, no need therefore to request only those with evidence stick together. This is a small college in a business centre/office block. And I still have had no answer to my questions about the number of classrooms, or even the numbers in any one's class!!
Saying that, it would be a simple test, get someone on the door. All those they recognise from their class get in to talk & plan, anyone else gets sent on their way.
I would prefer it if they hire a big hall for the 1000 or however many "students" & then plan how to explain to the Judge that they all fit in their classsroom.
Thanks Frontier Mole for reply my msg.Frontier Mole wrote:Remember the proof you need is that the qualification that you are relying on is real. Proof of attendance or study is of no value in these circumstances. PBS is a simple calculation based process that only awards points on the basis of evidence. The evidence put forward by UKBA in this circumstance is that the qualification is not real so therefore you can not be awarded the points.Hi Frontier Mole
I read all you fourms, I respect what you said in past. Only thing I want to say you just wait.......
we have some proof that we are right.
I am not saying I will win but I will try my best.
Whatever your claim it has to be outlined in the appeal application. There are no surprises in the appeal process, no mystery witnesses on the day of the hearing etc. So unless you can produce hard evidence that the qualification is real and has meaning then you will fail.
The same can be said for UKBA – they will need to provide evidence that the position they maintain is based on hard evidence. This could be any manner of things, trans scripts of interviews from the college operators, evidence gathered at the raid, witness statements from students who bought their awards ( oh yes!), fake qualification lists stating who paid what & when, evidence by omission – the lack of examination papers or course work and on and on it goes.
The court could happily accept you studied, produced course work and even sat exams. Those activities do not make the qualification acceptable or genuine. I think many believe if they can prove they did these activities it adds weight to the claim the qualification is worth while. That is not the case. The court can concede all that you argue but it will not change the weight given to the qualification. It is still a fake qualification. Those that bought the qualification straight off the shelf or those that studied to gain the qualification are in no better position. They all have the same bit of worthless paper, it is simply not a recognised qualification. If it is not recognised then it is irrelevant how you came by the document.
If you find a diamond ring or buy a diamond ring and in both instances it is a fake diamond then the outcome is the same. You have a fake diamond ring!
You will have more of a point in law if you bought it but if the seller is not there any longer then you are no better off. In the simplest of terms that is why everyone relying on the CCL PGD qualifications is in the same boat.
Diokpa, everyone have their own thinking so I can't say that you are wrong.Diokpa wrote:So with the global economic crisis, you would rather give money away to a lawyer(who obviously knows you don't have a case) when that money will come in handy when you go back home? I just believe the smart move is to go back home because if you have plans to return in the future, challenging the decision will only make that even harder.
Very true, I am sure you have it all worked out.sunshine11 wrote:Diokpa, everyone have their own thinking so I can't say that you are wrong.Diokpa wrote:So with the global economic crisis, you would rather give money away to a lawyer(who obviously knows you don't have a case) when that money will come in handy when you go back home? I just believe the smart move is to go back home because if you have plans to return in the future, challenging the decision will only make that even harder.
But even if I will not win then still I will get some thing. I am not giving money to lawyer without any reason.
HIFrontier Mole wrote:Salam123 & bex etc are all false identities mostly from the same person! More than likely to be the same idiot as EliteDuck & ElitePig..... so looking for support from those posters is not going to help you.
As for an appeal, you can not win as those that ran the college have stated that the PGD's were false and not a single student was awarded a certificate based on study. They have categorically stated that the college did not offer a course of study for the PGD's. It therefore leads to the simple conclusion that the PGD is not a qualification and therefore can not be awarded the points under PBS. End of really.
What ever you thought you studied or were examined on is irrelevant as it is clear that no matter the study or the exam result an award would have been granted. The qualification is not a qualification and is meaningless as so is any claim to achieve the qualification through study.
I think your legal rep's are scamming you as much as CCL. They know under PBS it is a straight case of YES or NO in the qualification box. No recognised qualification then no points. It is not about arguing if you were a student or not. The only argument is if it is a recognised qualification. So who is the awarding body - CCL - will they be able to come to court and state the qualification is real - that would be a NO.
salam123 wrote:HIFrontier Mole wrote:Salam123 & bex etc are all false identities mostly from the same person! More than likely to be the same idiot as EliteDuck & ElitePig..... so looking for support from those posters is not going to help you.
As for an appeal, you can not win as those that ran the college have stated that the PGD's were false and not a single student was awarded a certificate based on study. They have categorically stated that the college did not offer a course of study for the PGD's. It therefore leads to the simple conclusion that the PGD is not a qualification and therefore can not be awarded the points under PBS. End of really.
What ever you thought you studied or were examined on is irrelevant as it is clear that no matter the study or the exam result an award would have been granted. The qualification is not a qualification and is meaningless as so is any claim to achieve the qualification through study.
I think your legal rep's are scamming you as much as CCL. They know under PBS it is a straight case of YES or NO in the qualification box. No recognised qualification then no points. It is not about arguing if you were a student or not. The only argument is if it is a recognised qualification. So who is the awarding body - CCL - will they be able to come to court and state the qualification is real - that would be a NO.
fm white elite big fat pig of the britain..........how r u?
which facing home office u work meet me at any time in this number...........this number is only open for u.............
07787794245............................
i will wait for ur call............
Is there any need for bad language salam123?salam123 wrote:which facing home office u work meet me at any time in this number...........this number is only open for u.............