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Whic University is this?Pierrot95 wrote:Hi all,
My first post. Thanks first for this very useful forum.
My university hasn't issued any Certificate for more than 20 years, only Provisional certificates saying that the Certificate itself will be issued later.
I've checked this on the phone with HO and they are quite clear that they won't consider a Provisional Certificate.
I was wondering if anyone has managed to have a case considered under exceptional grounds in such circunstances.
If I get a letter from the university confirming that they haven't issued certificates for such a long time, can this help?
Thanks
drjabberwocky23,drjabberwocky23 wrote:
Whic University is this?
It sounds crazy that they don't issue degree/diploma certificates but issue provisional certificates that state that a real certificate will be issued later. That implies that they do issue such certificates.
Got my PhD in 2003.Sheetal.p wrote:Hi,
Can you please confirm the year in which you have completed your degree?
Do you mean "joining" that university?Vanadil wrote:"My university hasn't issued any Certificate for more than 20 years"
Did you not consider this before joining?
What is your PhD in and how long did it take you to get?
I didn't say there is only one school in my country... but you are quite right: there was only one university at that time.Vanadil wrote:Hmmmm, have you explained to the home office that there is only 1 school in your entire country? They might take it on exceptional grounds if this is the case but still probably not.
Was trying to avoid giving personal information, I can just say that I am from an African French-speaking country.Vanadil wrote:Can you please let me know what country this is as it would be interesting to know?
Sorry, didn't mean to quote, I miss clicked away from edit.Vanadil wrote:My apologies, I didn’t mean to probe.
I was just thinking that it may be of some relevance as some of the more experienced members of the board may know of any arrangements or previous cases involving your country of origin.
If it is the case that you do have a PhD, you do always have the option of coming to the UK on a Tier 2 Visa, providing that you can find a sponsor. You would only need 1 years worth of technical references and it could give you up to 36 months inside the UK, with a view to extend it over 5 years and apply for your ILR.
The only thing that I can really contribute unfortunately is to talk to the Home Office and fully explain your case. If it is the situation where they do say that it will not count, then I’m afraid that it does not look good.
Thanks for your contribution.Vanadil wrote:My apologies, I didn’t mean to probe.
I was just thinking that it may be of some relevance as some of the more experienced members of the board may know of any arrangements or previous cases involving your country of origin.
If it is the case that you do have a PhD, you do always have the option of coming to the UK on a Tier 2 Visa, providing that you can find a sponsor. You would only need 1 years worth of technical references and it could give you up to 36 months inside the UK.
The only thing that I can really contribute unfortunately is to talk to the Home Office and fully explain your case. If it is the situation where they do say that it will not count, then I’m afraid that it does not look good.
Yes I did mention it in my second post.Vanadil wrote:You haven;t mentioned that in this posting before? What is the reason that you cannot apply for ILR and how long left to you have on your current permit?
Pierrot95 wrote:I think the whole point is that nobody believes me here that there are some universities in the world that haven't issued an Original Certificate for years. In my country everybody knows that when you are asked to present your "original certificate", this means the provisional one, and nobody would question this.
I admit that if you have never been in that part of the world, it is difficult to understand but it is simply the truth. And I was giving details on my employment history and my current situation such that you can see it is a genuine case. However I don't think the caseworkers at the HO care about this, and I don't think my current situation has any impact on my Tier 1 application anyway. The problem would have been the same for an out-of-country application.
So my question is:
Assuming that I am telling the truth (I understand if you don't believe me), what is the procedure to follow to have my application considered under exceptional grounds?
Thanks for your insights.
Many thanks for this. At least I don't look like I am coming straight from Mars I will add that the 2 years it took you to have your BA degree issued is about the time it takes in my country to have your provisional certificate issued. And this is not a joke.T_mahmood wrote:Hi,
Its true that there may be a institute that might take ages before issuing you the original degree or certificate. I can give you example of the Punjab University, Pakistan, which took about 2 years before I was issued BA degree. Even though I have repeated written request to issue me the degree as I needed it immediately. It was about 20 years back and I dont know what is the present situation there. I used to show my mark sheet as my proof for passing the BA exam.
That is exactly what my provisional certificate says. But what the HO requires is an actual date (ddmmyyyy) when it will be issued.T_mahmood wrote:What i would suggest you that get a letter from your institute that you have passed the exam and your certificate/degree would be issued at later stage.
drjabberwocky23,drjabberwocky23 wrote:Pierrot95 - it may be worth contacting an Immigration Consultant/Lawyer on this one, as it sounds rather complicated.
AFAIK there is no transcript for PhD, and this is not even required as evidence for "qualification with a significant research bias (frequently doctorates)" (Para. 77 of Tier 1 guidance notes)drjabberwocky23 wrote:Is there any way the university could issue with a transcript?
Unfortunately I wouldn't score enough points without the PhD. And if I did, I would still have only the provisional certificates as evidence.drjabberwocky23 wrote:Alternatively, if you score enough points without your PhD, could you use your Masters or Bachelors Degree to claim points instead?
And what about this quote from the guidance notes?vipul1981 wrote:NO PRIGINAL DEGREE CERTIFICATE, NO POINTS
and the reasons refer to:77. If the applicant cannot provide his/her original certificate for one of the reasons given above and is claiming points for a qualification with a significant research bias (frequently doctorates) he/she may not be able to provide an academic transcript. In these cases we will accept an academic reference alone. The academic reference must include all the information detailed above.
Technically I can consider myself as an applicant awaiting graduation, even though i've been awaiting for years.75. If the applicant is awaiting graduation but has successfully completed his/her degree or no longer has the certificate and the awarding institution is unable to issue a replacement, he/she should send an original academic reference from the institution that is awarding the degree together with an original academic transcript.