Let's make it more interesting...opengl wrote:It is so difficult to understand the logic. 2006 waiting 2007 approved.
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Persol,Persol wrote:A friend of mine applied on Dec 07. His solicitor sued the Minister in High court for the delay in processing his client's citizenship application and won the case. So the Minister had to approve my friend's application and pay his solicitors fees and expenses.
Isn't this gas!
I have applied on Sept 07, no word so far... waiting line for the link?A friend of mine applied on Dec 07. His solicitor sued the Minister in High court for the delay in processing his client's citizenship application and won the case. So the Minister had to approve my friend's application and pay his solicitors fees and expenses.
Isn't this gas!
It does. Thanks again.justalad wrote:Ace,Aceform wrote:justalad,
Many thanks for the updates. Congratulations to you both on getting the cert.
Could you please clarify on the Dole Payment Declaration? what is this exactly.
Cheers,
Ace
Sorry declaration was the wrong word. The letter requesting additional documents stated "In addition I would be obliged if you could submit a statement from you local Department of Social and Family Affairs Office outlining claims, if any, made by you over the last 5 years". Because I have not made any claims I just send them a cover letter with all the other documents requested and signed by me stating that I have not made any claims from the Department of Social and Family Affairs Office.
Hope this answers your question.
jastalad
Canada has a system that allows you to do this.tom4 wrote:Wouldn't it be a great idea if there was the facility to enter your 68 number and some other identifying info and see online what is happening with your application? Can't be too hard, surely. It would cut the number of phone calls too.Dublin1 wrote:The guy who is updating the website was there too, and I asked him to change and put newer news, rahter than the one wich is there since xthmas
Yes this doesn't make any sense , but ball is in their hands...you know what I mean..IrelandHopeful wrote:Let's make it more interesting...opengl wrote:It is so difficult to understand the logic. 2006 waiting 2007 approved.![]()
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2004 waiting for decision
2005 waiting for decision
2006 waiting for decision
2007 approved
2008 about to be approved
Why would you run a system and base it on luck? No transperency. No organisation.............Very unfairFAQ wrote:Yes this doesn't make any sense , but ball is in their hands...you know what I mean..IrelandHopeful wrote:Let's make it more interesting... :( :roll:opengl wrote:It is so difficult to understand the logic. 2006 waiting 2007 approved.
2004 waiting for decision
2005 waiting for decision
2006 waiting for decision
2007 approved
2008 about to be approved
I got approval of my application after 24 months , in other hand my friend's
application was approved with in 15 -16 months , so its just pure luck ..
You are not alone Quite disappointing I do not think DOJ follows a chronological order I hate to say this - they must follow an order known only them It might be nationality, amount of tax paid in total, mode of initial residence [Irish born child, work permit, married to Irish] and other factors (not mentioned in public) I cant mention here I am beginning to see a pattern from those given quickly Though not absolutetom4 wrote:INIS website:
"There are currently 16,771 applications for naturalisation with the Citizenship Division of the Department that are still awaiting a decision. The number of applications which were made more than 18 months ago is 7,065 and of these 41% (2923) are on hold awaiting a response from the applicant and 47% (3,306) are awaiting a response from other statutory bodies as part of the normal applications checking process."
If there are that many that are that old, they must be processing a truckload of applications from much more recently to arrive at an average of 23 months, as we have seen from the input from the 2007 crowd and from the INIS website itself "Applications for naturalisation received in mid 2007 are currently being processed".
Maybe some of you are better at statistics than me, so analyse these figures if you are so inclined.
I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.
I'm just bitter because mine has so far taken more like 33 months :cry:
heehheheh so the guy who do the update, listned to my comments, he siad he will check it, but didn't think , it will be that fast.Fionn wrote:The INIS website has been updated
1) Applications for naturalisation received in mid 2007 are currently being processed
2) NATURALISATION APPLICATION FORMS HAVE CHANGED SINCE JANUARY 2009.
FROM 1 MARCH 2009 YOU MUST USE THE NEW VERSION OF THE FORM TO MAKE YOUR APPLICATION.
APPLICATIONS RECEIVED ON THE OLD FORM AFTER THIS DATE WILL BE RETURNED.
YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT CERTIFIED COPIES OF YOUR BIRTH, MARRIAGE AND/OR DIVORCE CERTIFICATES WITH YOUR APPLICATION.
see http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Co ... %20Section
Again I raised this issue with one fo the guys during the coursecrown wrote:You are not alone Quite disappointing I do not think DOJ follows a chronological order I hate to say this - they must follow an order known only them It might be nationality, amount of tax paid in total, mode of initial residence [Irish born child, work permit, married to Irish] and other factors (not mentioned in public) I cant mention here I am beginning to see a pattern from those given quickly Though not absolutetom4 wrote:INIS website:
"There are currently 16,771 applications for naturalisation with the Citizenship Division of the Department that are still awaiting a decision. The number of applications which were made more than 18 months ago is 7,065 and of these 41% (2923) are on hold awaiting a response from the applicant and 47% (3,306) are awaiting a response from other statutory bodies as part of the normal applications checking process."
If there are that many that are that old, they must be processing a truckload of applications from much more recently to arrive at an average of 23 months, as we have seen from the input from the 2007 crowd and from the INIS website itself "Applications for naturalisation received in mid 2007 are currently being processed".
Maybe some of you are better at statistics than me, so analyse these figures if you are so inclined.
I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.
I'm just bitter because mine has so far taken more like 33 months
Just for the craic of it...Dublin1 wrote:u must be Dublin office applicationLuasPassenger wrote:My application has taken already 35 months and I know they're not expecting any documents from me.
Forget all the political mumbo jumbo about average processing time, it's all 'bullXXXX'tom4 wrote:INIS website:
"There are currently 16,771 applications for naturalisation with the Citizenship Division of the Department that are still awaiting a decision. The number of applications which were made more than 18 months ago is 7,065 and of these 41% (2923) are on hold awaiting a response from the applicant and 47% (3,306) are awaiting a response from other statutory bodies as part of the normal applications checking process."
If there are that many that are that old, they must be processing a truckload of applications from much more recently to arrive at an average of 23 months...
I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.
Thats right ...this is very interesting matter some one here on forum, he applied 45 months...ago and still no result...tom4 wrote:I know exactly what you mean.FAQ wrote:... ball is in their hands...you know what I mean...
And if the ball spent a little less time in their hands they might be able to get some work done! :lol:
The Minister still maintains that they deal with applications "chronologically", see a PQ below. Which proves, as we all know anyway, that he wouldn't even blink lying through his teeth. Well, he wouldn't blink about 23 month either. Do you pepople find it really ironic, that an organisation called "department of justice and equality" will be the one to treat people so grossly unfair and unjust! I personally find it sickening... And the really bitter part is that we can't complain anywhere about it.tom4 wrote: I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.
Dermot Ahern wrote: 627. Deputy Leo Varadkar Information Zoom asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Information Zoom the order in which applications for naturalisation are dealt with; if any cases are being expedited; the basis on which this is done; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [1259/09]
Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Deputy Dermot Ahern): Information Zoom Applications for certificates of naturalisation are dealt with in chronological order as this is deemed to be the fairest system for all applicants. Certain categories of applicant receive a faster decision as their cases are less complex and require less processing and assessment. These include refugees, spouses of Irish citizens and applications made on behalf of minors. In exceptional circumstances, I may expedite a decision on an application. Each application is assessed individually.
The average processing time from application to decision is now 23 months. More complicated cases can at times take considerably more than the current average while an element of straight forward cases are now being dealt with in less than that timescale. There is a limit to the processing time that can be achieved as applications for naturalisation must be processed in a way which preserves the necessary checks and balances to ensure it is not undervalued and is only given to persons who genuinely satisfy the necessary qualifying criteria.
Office of the Ombudsman -Submission to the Joint Committee on Justice, Equality, Defence and Women, Rights wrote:Section 5(1)(e)(i) of the Ombudsman Act 1980 provides that the Ombudsman shall not investigate actions taken in the "...administration of the law relating to aliens or naturalisation...". The Ombudsman is one of the few Ombudsmen in Europe whose jurisdiction is restricted in this way. The Ombudsman, Emily O'Reilly, considers that the restriction is unwarranted and that the full range of administrative actions in this area should be subject to investigation by her in accordance with the terms of the Act.
I don't see a citizenship issue in the second article???Heybabyy wrote:See these two naturalisation related articles.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/let ... 93844.html
http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/idojojcwid/
And then they expect us to integrate us with the society.