Citizenship timeline tracker.

[IrelandHopeful]

It is so difficult to understand the logic. 2006 waiting 2007 approved.

Let's make it more interesting...
2004 waiting for decision
2005 waiting for decision
2006 waiting for decision
2007 approved
2008 about to be approved

[IrelandHopeful]

A friend of mine applied on Dec 07. His solicitor sued the Minister in High court for the delay in processing his client's citizenship application and won the case. So the Minister had to approve my friend's application and pay his solicitors fees and expenses.
Isn't this gas!

Persol,
Is this for real? Very interesting...please send us a web link

[anotherimmigrant]

A friend of mine applied on Dec 07. His solicitor sued the Minister in High court for the delay in processing his client's citizenship application and won the case. So the Minister had to approve my friend's application and pay his solicitors fees and expenses.
Isn't this gas!

I have applied on Sept 07, no word so far... waiting line for the link?

[Aceform]

justalad,

Many thanks for the updates. Congratulations to you both on getting the cert.

Could you please clarify on the Dole Payment Declaration? what is this exactly.

Cheers,
Ace

Ace,

Sorry declaration was the wrong word. The letter requesting additional documents stated "In addition I would be obliged if you could submit a statement from you local Department of Social and Family Affairs Office outlining claims, if any, made by you over the last 5 years". Because I have not made any claims I just send them a cover letter with all the other documents requested and signed by me stating that I have not made any claims from the Department of Social and Family Affairs Office.

Hope this answers your question.

jastalad

It does. Thanks again.

[LuasPassenger]

The guy who is updating the website was there too, and I asked him to change and put newer news, rahter than the one wich is there since xthmas

Wouldn't it be a great idea if there was the facility to enter your 68 number and some other identifying info and see online what is happening with your application? Can't be too hard, surely. It would cut the number of phone calls too.

Canada has a system that allows you to do this. Oh and by the way, they only take 4 months to process your application.

[FAQ]

It is so difficult to understand the logic. 2006 waiting 2007 approved.

Let's make it more interesting...
2004 waiting for decision
2005 waiting for decision
2006 waiting for decision
2007 approved
2008 about to be approved

Yes this doesn't make any sense , but ball is in their hands...you know what I mean..
I got approval of my application after 24 months , in other hand my friend's
application was approved with in 15 -16 months , so its just pure luck ..

[tom4]

... ball is in their hands...you know what I mean...

I know exactly what you mean.
And if the ball spent a little less time in their hands they might be able to get some work done!

[crown]

It is so difficult to understand the logic. 2006 waiting 2007 approved.

Let's make it more interesting... :( :roll:
2004 waiting for decision
2005 waiting for decision
2006 waiting for decision
2007 approved
2008 about to be approved

Yes this doesn't make any sense , but ball is in their hands...you know what I mean..
I got approval of my application after 24 months , in other hand my friend's
application was approved with in 15 -16 months , so its just pure luck ..

Why would you run a system and base it on luck? No transperency. No organisation.............Very unfair

[Fionn]

The INIS website has been updated

1) Applications for naturalisation received in mid 2007 are currently being processed

2) NATURALISATION APPLICATION FORMS HAVE CHANGED SINCE JANUARY 2009.
FROM 1 MARCH 2009 YOU MUST USE THE NEW VERSION OF THE FORM TO MAKE YOUR APPLICATION.
APPLICATIONS RECEIVED ON THE OLD FORM AFTER THIS DATE WILL BE RETURNED.

YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT CERTIFIED COPIES OF YOUR BIRTH, MARRIAGE AND/OR DIVORCE CERTIFICATES WITH YOUR APPLICATION.

see http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Co ... %20Section

[Fionn]

There are also new leaflets available!!

[tom4]

INIS website:
"There are currently 16,771 applications for naturalisation with the Citizenship Division of the Department that are still awaiting a decision. The number of applications which were made more than 18 months ago is 7,065 and of these 41% (2923) are on hold awaiting a response from the applicant and 47% (3,306) are awaiting a response from other statutory bodies as part of the normal applications checking process."

If there are that many that are that old, they must be processing a truckload of applications from much more recently to arrive at an average of 23 months, as we have seen from the input from the 2007 crowd and from the INIS website itself "Applications for naturalisation received in mid 2007 are currently being processed".
Maybe some of you are better at statistics than me, so analyse these figures if you are so inclined.

I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.

I'm just bitter because mine has so far taken more like 33 months

[crown]

INIS website:
"There are currently 16,771 applications for naturalisation with the Citizenship Division of the Department that are still awaiting a decision. The number of applications which were made more than 18 months ago is 7,065 and of these 41% (2923) are on hold awaiting a response from the applicant and 47% (3,306) are awaiting a response from other statutory bodies as part of the normal applications checking process."

If there are that many that are that old, they must be processing a truckload of applications from much more recently to arrive at an average of 23 months, as we have seen from the input from the 2007 crowd and from the INIS website itself "Applications for naturalisation received in mid 2007 are currently being processed".
Maybe some of you are better at statistics than me, so analyse these figures if you are so inclined.

I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.

I'm just bitter because mine has so far taken more like 33 months :cry:

You are not alone Quite disappointing I do not think DOJ follows a chronological order I hate to say this - they must follow an order known only them It might be nationality, amount of tax paid in total, mode of initial residence [Irish born child, work permit, married to Irish] and other factors (not mentioned in public) I cant mention here I am beginning to see a pattern from those given quickly Though not absolute

[Dublin1]

The INIS website has been updated

1) Applications for naturalisation received in mid 2007 are currently being processed

2) NATURALISATION APPLICATION FORMS HAVE CHANGED SINCE JANUARY 2009.
FROM 1 MARCH 2009 YOU MUST USE THE NEW VERSION OF THE FORM TO MAKE YOUR APPLICATION.
APPLICATIONS RECEIVED ON THE OLD FORM AFTER THIS DATE WILL BE RETURNED.

YOU ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT CERTIFIED COPIES OF YOUR BIRTH, MARRIAGE AND/OR DIVORCE CERTIFICATES WITH YOUR APPLICATION.

see http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Co ... %20Section

heehheheh so the guy who do the update, listned to my comments, he siad he will check it, but didn't think , it will be that fast.

[Dublin1]

INIS website:
"There are currently 16,771 applications for naturalisation with the Citizenship Division of the Department that are still awaiting a decision. The number of applications which were made more than 18 months ago is 7,065 and of these 41% (2923) are on hold awaiting a response from the applicant and 47% (3,306) are awaiting a response from other statutory bodies as part of the normal applications checking process."

If there are that many that are that old, they must be processing a truckload of applications from much more recently to arrive at an average of 23 months, as we have seen from the input from the 2007 crowd and from the INIS website itself "Applications for naturalisation received in mid 2007 are currently being processed".
Maybe some of you are better at statistics than me, so analyse these figures if you are so inclined.

I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.

I'm just bitter because mine has so far taken more like 33 months

You are not alone Quite disappointing I do not think DOJ follows a chronological order I hate to say this - they must follow an order known only them It might be nationality, amount of tax paid in total, mode of initial residence [Irish born child, work permit, married to Irish] and other factors (not mentioned in public) I cant mention here I am beginning to see a pattern from those given quickly Though not absolute

Again I raised this issue with one fo the guys during the course and his answer was it depends if ur application is IN Dublin or in Tipperary.

[LuasPassenger]

My application has taken already 35 months and I know they're not expecting any documents from me.

[Dublin1]

My application has taken already 35 months and I know they're not expecting any documents from me.

u must be Dublin office application

[IrelandHopeful]

My application has taken already 35 months and I know they're not expecting any documents from me.

u must be Dublin office application

Just for the craic of it...
I think the Dublin staff should attend some training on work performance and time management, or just simply be "overhauled"
The more you think about them 'oirish guys in the DOJ', the more depressed you get. Why do we need additional depressants with this already depressed economy.
Mine is over 45 months, no outstanding docs & no decision, just "mumbo jumbo" whenever I ask for updates, duh...

[IrelandHopeful]

House, I have a few questions or 'no brainers'...

The DOJ is the 'custodian & arbiter' of Irish Law, Equality & Justice. Therefore shouldn't the dept practice what they preach and be answerable to the law?

Is it only in Ireland that citizenship is a priviledge & not a right? Is this the same in other parts of the developed world like UK, Canada, Australia.

When 'all things' are equal in an application (I mean all requirements are met, including good behaviour), does the DOJ have the right to put a hold on applications 'forever', when in actual fact they are masking their own administrative incompetences i.e. the glaring variance in the rates that Dublin & Tipperary applications are processed is an absolute disgrace. (Dublin processes applications made in 2005 and before, while Tipperary processes 2006 and beyond).

Do we have a recourse to the law in such instances

INIS website:
"There are currently 16,771 applications for naturalisation with the Citizenship Division of the Department that are still awaiting a decision. The number of applications which were made more than 18 months ago is 7,065 and of these 41% (2923) are on hold awaiting a response from the applicant and 47% (3,306) are awaiting a response from other statutory bodies as part of the normal applications checking process."

If there are that many that are that old, they must be processing a truckload of applications from much more recently to arrive at an average of 23 months...

I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.

Forget all the political mumbo jumbo about average processing time, it's all 'bullXXXX'

[FAQ]

... ball is in their hands...you know what I mean...

I know exactly what you mean.
And if the ball spent a little less time in their hands they might be able to get some work done! :lol:

Thats right ...this is very interesting matter some one here on forum, he applied 45 months...ago and still no result...

[YMC]

I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.

The Minister still maintains that they deal with applications "chronologically", see a PQ below. Which proves, as we all know anyway, that he wouldn't even blink lying through his teeth. Well, he wouldn't blink about 23 month either. Do you pepople find it really ironic, that an organisation called "department of justice and equality" will be the one to treat people so grossly unfair and unjust! I personally find it sickening... And the really bitter part is that we can't complain anywhere about it.

627. Deputy Leo Varadkar Information Zoom asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Information Zoom the order in which applications for naturalisation are dealt with; if any cases are being expedited; the basis on which this is done; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [1259/09]

Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Deputy Dermot Ahern): Information Zoom Applications for certificates of naturalisation are dealt with in chronological order as this is deemed to be the fairest system for all applicants. Certain categories of applicant receive a faster decision as their cases are less complex and require less processing and assessment. These include refugees, spouses of Irish citizens and applications made on behalf of minors. In exceptional circumstances, I may expedite a decision on an application. Each application is assessed individually.

The average processing time from application to decision is now 23 months. More complicated cases can at times take considerably more than the current average while an element of straight forward cases are now being dealt with in less than that timescale. There is a limit to the processing time that can be achieved as applications for naturalisation must be processed in a way which preserves the necessary checks and balances to ensure it is not undervalued and is only given to persons who genuinely satisfy the necessary qualifying criteria.

[YMC]

Wouldn't it be great to complain to someone, say to the Ombudsman and, hopefully see the justice served upon the Minister and his haunted INIS chiefs, it may be too late for our own cases, but at least other people wouldn't feel so bitter..

Section 5(1)(e)(i) of the Ombudsman Act 1980 provides that the Ombudsman shall not investigate actions taken in the "...administration of the law relating to aliens or naturalisation...". The Ombudsman is one of the few Ombudsmen in Europe whose jurisdiction is restricted in this way. The Ombudsman, Emily O'Reilly, considers that the restriction is unwarranted and that the full range of administrative actions in this area should be subject to investigation by her in accordance with the terms of the Act.

[LuasPassenger]

My application has taken already 35 months and I know they're not expecting any documents from me.

u must be Dublin office application

Nope, I have been receiving letters from the Tipperary office since Sept 08.

LP

[Dublin1]

I am saying maybe , the Tipp letter is authorized one of the default one, as we all call Tipp for all questions.

[Heybabyy]

See these two naturalisation related articles.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/let ... 93844.html

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/idojojcwid/

And then they expect us to integrate us with the society.

[Persol]

See these two naturalisation related articles.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/let ... 93844.html

http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/idojojcwid/

And then they expect us to integrate us with the society.

I don't see a citizenship issue in the second article???