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£100 in application fees, a record of being refused and a stamp in the passport.£100 in application fees
If she does not have anything to go back home for then it would be difficult to convince the ECO that she has something to go back home for.She does not have any bank account or other property in her name. All her children are married.
I have helped a lot of eldely women ,paticularly from the Indian sub continent to get visitors visa, when they had no job, no savings,no property on their names.If she does not have anything to go back home for then it would be difficult to convince the ECO that she has something to go back home for.
So what,its only a refusal to grant a visa. Its not that she has committed a crime that is likely to be held against her in the future.100 in application fees, a record of being refused and a stamp in the passport.
You agree with him because he gives you the answers you want despite what people in the know, like Wanderer, are telling you.I agree with Batley Khan, because he is talking more logically.
happy even if she gets visit visa because she would be able to stay here for few months and then after couple of months, she can apply again for longer period.
Excellent post. Agreed in full. I raise my hand with bototo as some one who has fought the tribunal for a decision which took 2 minutes, and the judge again was very very aggrieved at the ECO's behaivour.bototo wrote:You agree with him because he gives you the answers you want despite what people in the know, like Wanderer, are telling you.I agree with Batley Khan, because he is talking more logically.
But save us your lecture on logic.
batleykhan, I agree that ECOs have specific guidance on the cultural nuances - and don't require all women to own land - that's why I pointed out that she needs to have something to draw her back to Pakistan (which is what, I understand, you are saying as well). The stronger the case of family ties the better the application - we seem to be agreed on that.
Re the issue of the stamp in the passport - why do they even put it in there? It's a flag, it's marked in code (it never says "application refused" - it's more likely to say "applied xx/xx/xx" even though it's marked only on refusal) and is a signal to other immigration officers - both our own and those from other countries. The fact that she already has a refused stamp is, I believe, detrimental to her success this time. However, I may concede even that to you.
One thing you are completely, totally, deeply wrong on is the infallible mantle you bestow upon ECOs. It is not the case that a good and honest application will always win. I've already got one tribunal victory behind me where the judge took a decision in minutes, delivered the judgement immediately and was severely critical of the original UKBA refusal. I was witness to a similar "injustice" that had to be corrected at tribunal and I'm sure there are hundreds/thousands of those happening every year. There are several threads on these boards testament to that.
khanz, I sincerely wish you all the best with your application and hope that your initial inclination to manipulate the system has blown overhappy even if she gets visit visa because she would be able to stay here for few months and then after couple of months, she can apply again for longer period.