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tom4 wrote:Hi tiggs,
Thanks for that.
Does your card say stamp 5 or 6?
Is there a "5" or a "6" anywhere on the stamp?
(Just trying to get to the bottom of this, contradictory websites, etc.)
I still have a while to run on my old stamp so no point in upgrading until I see what the minister says.
It looks like you are on more or less the same timeline as me, let's hope something happens soon.
Tom
Indeed Tiggs, that would make more sense, particularly since the No. 6 is higher than number 5, it would suggest a natural progression in one's residency status, culminating with citizenship/naturalizationtiggs wrote:And as i mentioned earlier entemp department doesnt decide on stamps.. inis and justice department does. I saw print outs sent to IO telling it should be stamp 5.
But again as i said before, some people did get stamp6. Unless we see something from inis or justice department. Things are not clear.
I spoke to gal on helpline for citizeninformation.ie (coz that site says stamp 5), she told me thats wat she got from justice department.
Regards
tiggs
According to http://www.citizensinformation.ie/Refer ... -checklistnicepecsigot wrote:im confused why would u bother getting stamped 5 when ur naturalized doesnt make sense naturalized meaning u beecome irish and what is this stamped 5 on about?![]()
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Only stamp 6 is given for naturalised citizens. I will give you an example where and when it can be used: some countries do not like dual citizenship or at least cause some hassle to their own people who acquired irish citizenship. To avoid these problems, those dual citizens would travel to their own countries with their native passports (not the Irish passports). On entrance to their countries and MOST IMPORTANTLY on their departure from their own countries to Ireland, they need to show an evidence of Irish visa or a residency stamp in their native passports to the immigration officers at the airport as well as to the airlines check in. When they arrive to Ireland they may produce their Irish passport. This is one example of "certain travel scenarios" mentioned in the reason for stamp 6. Another scenario is when the irish passport is lost on holidays so you can produce your own native passport in Dublin airport on arrival, but this is not necessary as you may contact the Irish embassy in your holiday destination requesting a new passport if the time allows.nicepecsigot wrote:im confused why would u bother getting stamped 5 when ur naturalized doesnt make sense naturalized meaning u beecome irish and what is this stamped 5 on about?![]()
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They want to get that corrected, ASAP.http://www.entemp.ie/trade/marketaccess/singlemarket/solvit.htm wrote:Stamp 5– Issued to persons who have dual citizenship through; birth in Ireland; parent(s) born in Ireland; grandparent(s) born in Ireland (Foreign Births Register Certificate required from Department of Foreign Affairs); naturalization or post nuptial citizenship
Stamp 6– Issued to non-EEA nationals who have resided in the State for at least 8 years. It is issued based on the individual merits of each application;
The information on INIS page clarifies:http://www.citizensinformation.ie/References/checklists/glossary-of-immigration-terms-a-checklist wrote:Stamp number 5
Issued to non-EEA nationals who have lived in Ireland for at least 8 years and who have been permitted by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform to remain in Ireland without condition as to time.
People holding this stamp are permitted to work without needing an employment permit or business permission.
Stamp number 6
Can be placed on the foreign passport of an Irish citizen who has dual citizenship, and who wants their entitlement to remain in Ireland to be endorsed on their foreign passport.
This stamp certifies that the holder of the passport is permitted to remain in Ireland without condition.
In a nutshell:http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Immigration%20information wrote:Stamp 5: Without Condition As To Time Endorsements
Categories of qualifying persons
1. Applicant has resided legally in the State for more than eight years
2. Applicant has previous passport endorsement
If you have completed 8 years legal residency in Ireland excluding student conditions you may qualify for a "Without Condition as to Time" endorsement. In order for this office to ensure that you qualify for a "Without Condition As To Time" endorsement you are required to submit the following original documents:-
1. All expired passports in respect of yourself, since arriving in the State
2. Your current passport
*and*
Stamp 6: Without Condition Endorsement
Categories of qualifying persons
1. THROUGH PARENTS:
When one of the applicant's parents was born in the State.
Original documents required:
* Mother’s or father's long-form civil birth certificate
* If claiming through mother, civil marriage certificate is required because of possible change of maiden name
* Applicant's long-form civil birth certificate
* Applicant's current passport
2. THROUGH GRANDPARENT:
Applicant must produce Foreign Births Registration certificate issued by Dept. of Foreign Affairs plus applicant's passport
3. NATURALISATION/ POST NUPTIAL CITIZENSHIP (PNC):
Applicant must produce original naturalisation certificate/Post Nuptial Citizenship (PNC) certificate or Irish passport plus applicant's passport
4. PREVIOUSLY STAMPED:
Any applicant who has a previous Without Condition endorsement may have this stamp renewed in their current passport on production of both expired passport containing the endorsement and their current passport.
Hi Beifa,benifa wrote:Seems like the DETE have their stamps mixed up..
They want to get that corrected, ASAP.http://www.entemp.ie/trade/marketaccess/singlemarket/solvit.htm wrote:Stamp 5– Issued to persons who have dual citizenship through; birth in Ireland; parent(s) born in Ireland; grandparent(s) born in Ireland (Foreign Births Register Certificate required from Department of Foreign Affairs); naturalization or post nuptial citizenship
Stamp 6– Issued to non-EEA nationals who have resided in the State for at least 8 years. It is issued based on the individual merits of each application;
Still, the CitizensInformation.ie link, however, is correct:
The information on INIS page clarifies:http://www.citizensinformation.ie/References/checklists/glossary-of-immigration-terms-a-checklist wrote:Stamp number 5
Issued to non-EEA nationals who have lived in Ireland for at least 8 years and who have been permitted by the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform to remain in Ireland without condition as to time.
People holding this stamp are permitted to work without needing an employment permit or business permission.
Stamp number 6
Can be placed on the foreign passport of an Irish citizen who has dual citizenship, and who wants their entitlement to remain in Ireland to be endorsed on their foreign passport.
This stamp certifies that the holder of the passport is permitted to remain in Ireland without condition.
In a nutshell:http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Immigration%20information wrote:Stamp 5: Without Condition As To Time Endorsements
Categories of qualifying persons
1. Applicant has resided legally in the State for more than eight years
2. Applicant has previous passport endorsement
If you have completed 8 years legal residency in Ireland excluding student conditions you may qualify for a "Without Condition as to Time" endorsement. In order for this office to ensure that you qualify for a "Without Condition As To Time" endorsement you are required to submit the following original documents:-
1. All expired passports in respect of yourself, since arriving in the State
2. Your current passport
*and*
Stamp 6: Without Condition Endorsement
Categories of qualifying persons
1. THROUGH PARENTS:
When one of the applicant's parents was born in the State.
Original documents required:
* Mother’s or father's long-form civil birth certificate
* If claiming through mother, civil marriage certificate is required because of possible change of maiden name
* Applicant's long-form civil birth certificate
* Applicant's current passport
2. THROUGH GRANDPARENT:
Applicant must produce Foreign Births Registration certificate issued by Dept. of Foreign Affairs plus applicant's passport
3. NATURALISATION/ POST NUPTIAL CITIZENSHIP (PNC):
Applicant must produce original naturalisation certificate/Post Nuptial Citizenship (PNC) certificate or Irish passport plus applicant's passport
4. PREVIOUSLY STAMPED:
Any applicant who has a previous Without Condition endorsement may have this stamp renewed in their current passport on production of both expired passport containing the endorsement and their current passport.
non-EEA nationals who have 8 years legal residency - Stamp 5.
Irish citizens who hold a non-EEA passport - Stamp 6.
Hi LuasPassenger,LuasPassenger wrote:Hi Beifa,
When I rang INIS to enquire about this (early February) they told me I would be getting a Stamp 6. Then I came across the contradiction between the DETE website and the CitizensInformation website. So I printed both pages out and brought them with me when I went to GNIB.
When I was in the GNIB the officer told me I was going to get a Stamp 5. Then I showed him the two websites and told him INIS told me on the phone I should get Stamp 6. He went away to ask. When he came back he told me I would be getting a Stamp 6.
And I got a Stamp 6.
I don't personally know of anyone who has gained 5 years residency as the family member of an EEA national, but I believe that it should be Stamp 5. Or possibly "Stamp 5 EUFam".lakeside1234 wrote:Hi all,
Now this is very confusing,if I am an EU family member..I get a stamp4EU card upon arrival in Ireland and after 5 years I am entitled to a permanent residence card...so would that be a stamp 4B. 5 or 6 .Irish immigration is very ambigiuos and complicated!!
I'm a non-EEA national with 8 years residency. I have been on work permits until now that I've applied for "without condition as to time" endorsement (Stamp 6).benifa wrote:Hi LuasPassenger,
Perfect example of the GNIB and the INIS non-communication.
May I ask, are you an Irish citizen, or are you a non-EEA national with 8 years residency?
"without condition as to time" endorsement is Stamp 5.LuasPassenger wrote:I'm a non-EEA national with 8 years residency. I have been on work permits until now that I've applied for "without condition as to time" endorsement (Stamp 6).benifa wrote:Hi LuasPassenger,
Perfect example of the GNIB and the INIS non-communication.
May I ask, are you an Irish citizen, or are you a non-EEA national with 8 years residency?
I have applied for Irish citizenship as well. I applied in 2006 and I'm still waiting for decision. But this is separate from the "without condition as to time" endorsement.
LP.