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My UK Tier 1(HSMP Extension) Rejection and Appeal Experience

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nangvil
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My UK Tier 1(HSMP Extension) Rejection and Appeal Experience

Post by nangvil » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:19 pm

I would like to share my recent appeal experience with the forum. I've been in the UK legally for 9 years.

On the 28th of Nov 2008, I posted my application for Tier1(extension of HSMP). Despite repeated calls to HO in Dec and early Jan, I was told 'application still in progress'.

On the 12 of Jan, I received my documents with letter from HO stating my application has been rejected on 2 basis. (1) I've sent in my P60 2007/08 with payslips Sept 07-Oct 08. The P60 does not cover the full year on my payslips. As only 2 documents were required, I did not submit additional bank statements. (2) My 3 months bank statements showed funds dipping below £800.

I was given the right to appeal under AIT, which I did.

Under the appeal, I argued that:
(1) Under the Tier1 Guidance, bank statements/payslips should be dated 12 out of 15 months prior to date of application. Therefore, it should be stated more clearly that P60 can only be used between April-Jun every year to collaborate with bank statements/payslips. The reason I've sent in my P60 was to show the HO that I am paying my taxes. I showed the court my bank statements which collaborate with my payslips.
(2) I knew by early January that something was 'wrong' with my application. I realised by that time that the statements I've sent in showed funds dipping below £800. Therefore, I took my own initiative to send in statements from other saving accounts to the HO to show that I can fund myself and I do have £800 in my account. Unfortunately till date, this has not been acknowledged by the HO, and I doubt I'll ever get my bank statements back from them.

The tribunal experience is not that bad. HO officials are not usually there, so it's usually between the judge and the appellant.

I'm pleased to say my appeal has been successful and I have now received my VISA.

It has been an extremely stressful 3 months. This is not helped by the fact that it's so difficult to get through to HO on the 0870 numbers, and all they seem to be able to tell you is either: 'Application in progress' or 'Your documents have been posted back to you'. In hindsight, had I not took my own initiative to send in more documetns, I doubt that I would have won the case.

There is no doubt that, Yes, I did make mistakes when I send in my application form, I admit to that.

My advice to fellow members would be:
(1)Always send in your payslips with bank statements, and if possible, a letter from your bank. The HO states on the guidance no to send in other documents which are not relevant, but after this case, I would send in more information to them rather than less.

(2)Make sure that your account has over £800, u're not allowed to drop, not even a penny!

(3)Rejection is not the end. I would recommend fellow members to seek the help of an immigration lawyer. I did think of going through the appeal myself, but given the complexity of the court, I'm very glad to have appointed a lawyer.

Seek advice from other members but [b]BECAREFUL[/b]. One member advised me to leave the country asap etc etc...... members could give advise, but sometimes, they don't know what they are talking about....

Hope this helps...

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Post by T_mahmood » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:34 pm

Thanks for sharing your experience.....your efforts and patienc paid. You are right, HO attitude towards applicants is beaurocratic and unhelpful. Congrt mate....
Have you got your visa or HO have yet to ask for your passport? I have learnt that HO takes a lot of time to ask for the passport to stamp the visa even though appeal is successful.
Thinking low is crime....

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Post by nangvil » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:50 pm

I have got the visa. It doesn't take long, only a few weeks after the judgement is handed.

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Post by tvn_ramesh » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:04 pm

Congrats.. thats really inspiration n hope to all those who are waiting n also those who got rejected with appeal chance...

A quick question on your quote "use lawyers" do you mean the individually registered with the Office of the Immigration Services Commissioner (OISC).. like the most of the consultant companies who do visa n immigration specialist jobs??

And wat was the approx charge u paid on ur case? just for idea/ info..

Congrats again..

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Post by nksg » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:08 pm

Hi nangvil,

Congratulations.. i have been keeping track of your posts as i applied the same date as you didn.. i was really scared.. after i heard the result.. But i was under JR.. so got my approval in 3rd week of Jan.. but i am happy for you.. atleast your efforts paid.. :)

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Post by nangvil » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:09 pm

With regards to lawyers, I mean lawyers who deals with Immigration and Asylum issues. A list is usually available through the OISC. These ppl are more familiar with the complex immigration law.

Charges varies according to the region. My lawyer quoted me 800+Vat. London rates are usually from 1500above + vat.

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Post by tvn_ramesh » Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:18 pm

nangvil wrote:With regards to lawyers, I mean lawyers who deals with Immigration and Asylum issues. A list is usually available through the OISC. These ppl are more familiar with the complex immigration law.

Charges varies according to the region. My lawyer quoted me 800+Vat. London rates are usually from 1500above + vat.
Thanks for the info...

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Post by satish.pand » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:03 pm

hi nangvil

congrats. I would like to know whether you are eligible to work during the appeal process.

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Post by aaammmiii » Fri Feb 27, 2009 3:17 pm

nangvil wrote:With regards to lawyers, I mean lawyers who deals with Immigration and Asylum issues. A list is usually available through the OISC. These ppl are more familiar with the complex immigration law.

Charges varies according to the region. My lawyer quoted me 800+Vat. London rates are usually from 1500above + vat.
Hi Nangvil,

First fo all congrats for the VISA.

I will be applying from within UK.
I need some clarifications about the maintenance fund.

1. Can I combine my accounts (4 different account) to show the mimimum balance as in the SUM of the daily balances in all the accounts is always more that £800

2. Can I include my Indian account (NRI account).

3. Also Can I include a regular saver account which has terms as below
"Save between £25 to £500 every month through a standing order. withdrawal of the money from the account before 12 monthly payments will result in account closure and loss of interest. At the end of the agreed period of investment, the funds with the accrued interest will be transferred into a nominated account."

The SUM of the daily balances in the above account has always been significantly above £800 always for the 3 months period.

Appreciate your help.

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Post by vks » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:28 pm

Inspiration!
Congratulations! Can't imagine the agony that you have faced!

Sharing lessons learnt is a wonderful thing! Nice summary!
Regards,
vks

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Replies

Post by nangvil » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:09 am

satish.pand: Regarding employment, it's very sketchy. I was told by my lawyer that I might not be allowed to work because my VISA has expired, but my employers called up their helpline and were happy for me to continue to work pending the outcome of the appeal, which I did.

aaaammmiii: Does ur regular saver account show balance of £800 per month for 3 months? If it does, I would get your bank to print off a statement for that account using the bank's letterhead/logo. I would get them to write a letter as well confirming that if possible. I'm not sure if u're allowed to combine 4 different accounts to prove to them...might make things very complex!

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Re: Replies

Post by aaammmiii » Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:33 am

nangvil wrote:satish.pand: Regarding employment, it's very sketchy. I was told by my lawyer that I might not be allowed to work because my VISA has expired, but my employers called up their helpline and were happy for me to continue to work pending the outcome of the appeal, which I did.

aaaammmiii: Does ur regular saver account show balance of £800 per month for 3 months? If it does, I would get your bank to print off a statement for that account using the bank's letterhead/logo. I would get them to write a letter as well confirming that if possible. I'm not sure if u're allowed to combine 4 different accounts to prove to them...might make things very complex!
nangvil: please could you confirm this with your lawyers if you can whether can we show the maintenance funds using a combination of multiple account.
As long as I have access to £800 minimum every day in principle I should satisfy the condition. Yes I agree it makes things complicated for the case worker but I can explain how I have calculated the amount along with a spread sheet and may be letter for the various banks supporting it.
Would that help?

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Post by nangvil » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:20 pm

Hi aaammmiii,
I would recommend calling the HO to clarify.

I've asked and the reply was no. Paragraph 199 and 203 of the Tier1 General Guidance states 'The personal bank or building society statements should clearly show: section 5 - that there are enough funds present in the account (balance must always be at £800).

By all means, they might accept ur documents, I would call them to clarify. Hope this helps.

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Post by aaammmiii » Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:18 pm

nangvil wrote:Hi aaammmiii,
I would recommend calling the HO to clarify.

I've asked and the reply was no. Paragraph 199 and 203 of the Tier1 General Guidance states 'The personal bank or building society statements should clearly show: section 5 - that there are enough funds present in the account (balance must always be at £800).

By all means, they might accept ur documents, I would call them to clarify. Hope this helps.
May I ask you, did the Lawyers told you NO or was it the HO?

Thanks,
Amit

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Post by nangvil » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:49 pm

Lawyers said no, which is why I recommend you to call HO and see what they say...

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Post by priya_bhosale » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:12 pm

Congratulations nangvil! That must have been such a huge relief for you!

Could you let me know the name of the immigration lawyer you referred your case to?

Also could you clarify what exactly is the process of appeal. Do they give you a date and you have to be present there to present your case? If so, then whats the role of the lawyer?

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Post by nangvil » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:57 pm

Hey priya,
I've replied to your pvt msg.

Once u have received the Rejection Letter from HO, u are given a choice of whether u're allowed to appeal or not. If u are allowed to appeal, u have to lodge the appeal with AIT within 10 days. This usually involve sending in the appeal forms. Once the appeal form is received by AIT, they will give u a date for your hearing. 5 days before your hearing date, you have to lodge all your documents with the court.

On the day of your trial, the lawyer would usually advise you to turn up. The lawyer would be there to assist you with the case and make the presentation to the court.

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Post by rishikm » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:02 pm

Hi nangvil,

Could you please mail me the contact details of lawyer?

Thanks

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Post by aaammmiii » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:56 pm

nangvil wrote:Lawyers said no, which is why I recommend you to call HO and see what they say...
Hi Nangvil,

I did call HO and they have confirmed to me that the evidence can be shown in multiple accounts, but the documents should be as per the guidance notes. (bank statements ...)

Thanks,
Amit

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That's great!

Post by bmb9ks » Mon Mar 09, 2009 8:48 am

I'm in a similar situation with my employer's letter and bank statements not exactly agreeing because of expenses etc. being deposited with my pay.

I had thought to write the appeal myself, but going through all the documentation, maybe I do need one!

KSS

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Post by fahadz1 » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:51 am

nangvil wrote:Hey priya,
I've replied to your pvt msg.

Once u have received the Rejection Letter from HO, u are given a choice of whether u're allowed to appeal or not. If u are allowed to appeal, u have to lodge the appeal with AIT within 10 days. This usually involve sending in the appeal forms. Once the appeal form is received by AIT, they will give u a date for your hearing. 5 days before your hearing date, you have to lodge all your documents with the court.

On the day of your trial, the lawyer would usually advise you to turn up. The lawyer would be there to assist you with the case and make the presentation to the court.
HI.

I'm v happy to hear that u win the case. Yes they are not helpful to us ! i want to ask what is AIT and what if they didnt give you chance to appeal then what should one do ? any suggestions ? I have few months remaining so I am making all contingency planning;. Thanks

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Re: My UK Tier 1(HSMP Extension) Rejection and Appeal Experi

Post by blade1759 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:33 pm

hi nangvil

did u have to provide evidence to the judge that you actually sent the savings bank statement to hO. Also did the savings cover the period where ur bal dipped below 800

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Re: My UK Tier 1(HSMP Extension) Rejection and Appeal Experi

Post by blade1759 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:33 pm

hi nangvil

did u have to provide evidence to the judge that you actually sent the savings bank statement to hO. Also did the savings cover the period where ur bal dipped below 800

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Re: My UK Tier 1(HSMP Extension) Rejection and Appeal Experi

Post by blade1759 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:34 pm

hi nangvil

did u have to provide evidence to the judge that you actually sent the savings bank statement to hO. Also did the savings cover the period where ur bal dipped below 800

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Re: My UK Tier 1(HSMP Extension) Rejection and Appeal Experi

Post by blade1759 » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:34 pm

hi nangvil

did u have to provide evidence to the judge that you actually sent the savings bank statement to hO. Also did the savings cover the period where ur bal dipped below 800

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