40 years old and moving to Ireland without any prospects.

osullivan · Post by **osullivan** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:26 am

My situation is unique.
I was born, raised and lived in the USA until the age of 35.
I have no other citizenship other than my German/EU citizenship.

I am faily computer literate, but haven't a clue for things in the area of IT.
I'm a 40 year old long-hair type, not a yuppie in a suit.

My German is terrible, I just can't get the hang of it, thus no Jobs. They had to let me go from my last job in a Munich Kindergarten, because of a state funding cut.
Since I lived in the USA so long, and have no identifiable occupation, I am basicly considered an unskilled labourer in Europe.

I have decidede to move to Ireland, because they speak my mother tounge.
But I have no prospects.
I would rather crash and burn in Ireland than in what is suppose to be "my" country. Rightfully, I am perceived as a foreigner in "my own country", because I don't have a truely workable grasp of the language.
English speaking jobs are already flooded by people younger and more qualified. I am sure that such is the case in Ireland.

I have lived and worked in the EU for 5 years. 3 and 1 half of them in Germany.

Please, don't ask me why I am in my present situation. I was simply stupid to come to "my country" of present citizenship. The details are not worth going into. I would appreciate to stay on topic.

Namely, if I survive, I would like to become a full Irish citizen.

Is it possible to establish residency while working, without pay, simply for food and bord?
I need a PPS and bank account of couse.
I wish that I could move there with the prospect of a job and residence, but such is not my lot.
My great grand father was born in Ireland (yes, O'Sullivan is my real name), but I can't prove that he was. Anyway, he was a US citizen by the time he had children. So, my Irish-mutt ancestry is nothing to raise my hopes.

Or are there employers (I can accept dirt-wages for a time) that sometime provide a place to live, so I at least have an address for residency when I move there, thus giving me someting with my name on it, to aid my getting a PPS and Bank account?

I would prefer to live on the East coast of Ireland, but I've been lead to believe that it is virtually impossible to find work there.

My present life situation IS crazy, so I need no comments supporting that view point.

Any sincere comments, that may help me establish myself in Ireland would be appreciated.
I also don't need alternatives to moving to Ireland. Please, let us all assume that there is no other alternative, just for the sake of positive suggestion to help me achieve my ends.
I will be moving to Ireland within the next 2 months.

Thanks in advance for the advice from all you kind people out there.

Best regards,
M.O'Sullivan

ciaramc · Post by **ciaramc** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:00 am

Sorry didn't really understand your post???

You are a US citizen aswell as German??

If you have German citizenship you can move to Ireland without any problems....you are entitled to live there as long as you can...you just gotta take a plane move there, rent a place and find a job! Good luck!

osullivan · Post by **osullivan** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:34 am

Sorry, if my post seems to be going everywhere at once.
I'm in a bit of stress, with the time constraints and all.

I am only a German citizen.

I realize my EU rights as far as traveling and working in EU countries, it's only that my funds are so very limited.

In Germany on has to pay a realtors fee, and a deposit of two or three months rent, as well as pay the first months rent.

I will be lucky if I have â‚¬1000- when I move.

Thanks for wishing me good luck. I'll need it.

M.O'Sullivan

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:35 am

ciaramc wrote:You are a US citizen aswell as German??

osullivan wrote:I have no other citizenship other than my German/EU citizenship.

ciaramc wrote:If you have German citizenship you can move to Ireland without any problems....you are entitled to live there as long as you can

You're entitled to live in Ireland for up to 3 months, without any conditions or formalities, other than the requirement to hold a valid passport.

For legal stay beyond three months, you must be either employed, self-employed, enrolled in a course of study, or financially self-sufficient.

Good luck!

By the way:

osullivan wrote:Namely, if I survive, I would like to become a full Irish citizen.

How do you feel this would benefit you at all?

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:42 am

osullivan wrote:I will be lucky if I have â‚¬1000- when I move.

Bear in mind that to rent an apartment you'll probably need deposit equal to 1 month's rent, plus 1 month's rent in advance.

Depending on where you live, you might get a 1 bedroom flat for â‚¬500 a month. So your â‚¬1000 will just about cover that.

But really, and I swear I'm not trying to sound patronising, but in the present economic climate I wouldn't want to land in Ireland with less than â‚¬2k, if I were in your shoes.

osullivan · Post by **osullivan** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:51 am

I think that I did come accross the thee month fact.

Maybe I can make connections through WWOOF, or some similar arrangement.

I certainly don't want to become illegal.
I just want a sustainable life again.

I had to live in another EU country, when I first moved to Europe, but I was lucky enough to have enough money to rent a flat before I moved.
I'm afraid that is not going to be the case this time.

Again thanks for you wishes of good Luck.

Regard,
M.O'Sullivan

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:55 am

All the best.

Dawie · Post by **Dawie** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:01 am

If you were born in the USA then you are automatically a US citizen regardless of whether you want to be or not.

ciaramc · Post by **ciaramc** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:06 am

Exactly what Dawie says if as you stated you were born in the US you would be a US citizen regardless!

Sorry to blow your bubble but why exactly do you want to move to Ireland? You have no money no job set up?? Hope you realise how difficult it will be! I have family there that I will go live with....and I still wouldn't go home with less than 2000 ......

Maybe wait a couple of months save some more money......

osullivan · Post by **osullivan** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:57 am

ciaramc wrote:Exactly what Dawie says if as you stated you were born in the US you would be a US citizen regardless!

Not in my case.

I renounced my US citizenship when I got married.
So, like I said, I am just a German citizen now.

I am now divorced.

The US Embassy confirmed that I have passed the time given to take back my decision, and become a citizen again. Their response was take a hike, so that's what im going to do.

I have no family left in the USA anyway.

Don't be sorry.
There's no bubble to blow.
I'm going to find myself in Ireland within two months.
I just would like to know if any anyone has advice how I can survive what is happening to me.

I can't get on with the language enough, in Germany to save much more money.

I realize it's going to be difficult.
But at least if I crash, it's going to be somewhere my native language is spoken.

It doesn't matter why I have chosen Ireland.
That`s where I'll be.
I'll work on a farm...anything...

Regards,
M.O'Sullivan

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:21 pm

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osullivan · Post by **osullivan** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:37 pm

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kazinirl · Post by **kazinirl** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:11 pm

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Ben · Post by **Ben** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:19 pm

kazinirl wrote:Hello benifa,

I am wondering if it is possible that people just arriving Ireland, can enter FAS training course and get Jobseeker's Allowance.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categ ... -allowance

On of the rules to get Jobseeker's Allowance you must:
Meet the Habitual Residence Condition.
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/OperationalGui ... abres.aspx

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osullivan · Post by **osullivan** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:32 pm

kazinirl wrote:
Hello osullivan,

>I'll work on a farm...anything...

Maybe you could try farming job?!
Some farming jobs provide you with accommodation.
For example...
http://www.gumtree.ie/dublin/82/35812282.html

Good luck

Thank you for the link kazinirl.
I hadn't found that one yet.

I well aware of the bad economic situation every where.

It's a hard time to have to make the transitions that I must make.

Best regards,
M.O'Sullivan

osullivan · Post by **osullivan** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:35 pm

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mangrovejack · Post by **mangrovejack** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:36 am

benifa wrote:
kazinirl wrote:Hello benifa,

I am wondering if it is possible that people just arriving Ireland, can enter FAS training course and get Jobseeker's Allowance.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categ ... -allowance

On of the rules to get Jobseeker's Allowance you must:
Meet the Habitual Residence Condition.
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/OperationalGui ... abres.aspx

Jobseeker's Allowance, no. FÃ

Ben · Post by **Ben** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:01 am

mangrovejack wrote:
benifa wrote:
kazinirl wrote:Hello benifa,

I am wondering if it is possible that people just arriving Ireland, can enter FAS training course and get Jobseeker's Allowance.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categ ... -allowance

On of the rules to get Jobseeker's Allowance you must:
Meet the Habitual Residence Condition.
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/OperationalGui ... abres.aspx

Jobseeker's Allowance, no. FÃ

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40 years old and moving to Ireland without any prospects.

40 years old and moving to Ireland without any prospects.