![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
![Wink ;)](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
ESC
Welcome to immigrationboards.com!
Moderators: Casa, Amber, archigabe, batleykhan, ca.funke, ChetanOjha, EUsmileWEallsmile, JAJ, John, Obie, push, geriatrix, vinny, CR001, zimba, meself2, Administrator
Please check this report out on the Irish immigration systemcnu wrote:O I can see your happiness reflect outta the browser :) well done Pahadia, thanks for keeping all of us in loop. Now have u picked on OIrish accent yet ;) ?
http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:9w ... k&gl=ie#91crown wrote:Please check this report out on the Irish immigration systemcnu wrote:O I can see your happiness reflect outta the browserwell done Pahadia, thanks for keeping all of us in loop. Now have u picked on OIrish accent yet
?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 48288.html
jhbmike wrote:http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:9w ... k&gl=ie#91crown wrote:Please check this report out on the Irish immigration systemcnu wrote:O I can see your happiness reflect outta the browserwell done Pahadia, thanks for keeping all of us in loop. Now have u picked on OIrish accent yet
?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 48288.html
link for the full report
One particular reason given for refusal that is not presented at the outset of the application or is published on any INIS resources is the accessing of public funds via the social welfare system. CMP maintains that it is a person’s right to access social protection. This right is provided to many people in Ireland and protected by law created by the Oireachtas if they have an entitlement to do so. That accessing this right provided for in domestic legislation should disqualify someone from Irish citizenship is at odds with any sense of justice, fairness and respect for rights. It is also important to note that access to the right to social protection has been significantly restricted since the introduction of the Habitual Residence Condition in 2004.
[...]
Accessing one’s right to social protection is an unjust reason for refusing a person citizenship. Along with specific qualifying conditions for each type of payment social welfare payments can only be granted if the person has satisfied the habitual residencecondition or if he/she has contributed considerably to the social insurance system and thus is eligible for a contribution based payment. It is also worth noting that a person will not be entitled to jobseekers allowance or benefit unless he/she is actively seeking employment. The Social Welfare system has its own checks and balances in place to ensure that those who receive a payment are entitled to the payment. The Immigration system undermines the validity of such checks and balances by the refusing citizenship to people who have accessed their right to social protection.
AND:LuasPassenger wrote:I just got today a letter from INIS asking for my Current Tax Certificate.
I sent my tax documents when they were requested in September 08.
Has anybody received the same/similar letter?
Are they asking for a "tax update"?
LuasPassenger wrote:I sent them by registered post and made photocopies actually. But when I read the photocopies again, I realised that I sent my tax assessments for 2006 and 2007 because at that time, INIS requested my tax assessments for 2007. In the letter I got today it requests my "current tax clearance certificate".tiggs wrote:Hi LP,
My time line is similar to yours... sent additional documents around same time.. haven't heard anything since and if i called(in Jan 09/Feb09) they told me no additional documents required.
Did u send last copy as registered post? most possibly, if so... ask them on Tuesday what is happening there.
Best of luck...
Regards
Tiggs
What I think happened is that probably they finally got my Gardai clearance. So, somebody was just checking the whole file again and of course, since some time has passed since September 2008, they probably want to get an "update" from my tax affairs.
Anyway, I just sent my request to Revenue for my tax certficiate.
Hopefully this will be the last requirement! The weird thing is that the last time I rang INIS (about two weeks ago), I asked them if they were expecting more documents from me and they said "No".
LP
LuasPassenger/jhbmike,LuasPassenger wrote:jhbmike wrote:http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:9w ... k&gl=ie#91crown wrote:Please check this report out on the Irish immigration systemcnu wrote:O I can see your happiness reflect outta the browser :) well done Pahadia, thanks for keeping all of us in loop. Now have u picked on OIrish accent yet ;) ?
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ire ... 48288.html
link for the full report
Excellent links! Thank you guys! This is the piece that struck me the most:
One particular reason given for refusal that is not presented at the outset of the application or is published on any INIS resources is the accessing of public funds via the social welfare system. CMP maintains that it is a person’s right to access social protection. This right is provided to many people in Ireland and protected by law created by the Oireachtas if they have an entitlement to do so. That accessing this right provided for in domestic legislation should disqualify someone from Irish citizenship is at odds with any sense of justice, fairness and respect for rights. It is also important to note that access to the right to social protection has been significantly restricted since the introduction of the Habitual Residence Condition in 2004.
[...]
Accessing one’s right to social protection is an unjust reason for refusing a person citizenship. Along with specific qualifying conditions for each type of payment social welfare payments can only be granted if the person has satisfied the habitual residencecondition or if he/she has contributed considerably to the social insurance system and thus is eligible for a contribution based payment. It is also worth noting that a person will not be entitled to jobseekers allowance or benefit unless he/she is actively seeking employment. The Social Welfare system has its own checks and balances in place to ensure that those who receive a payment are entitled to the payment. The Immigration system undermines the validity of such checks and balances by the refusing citizenship to people who have accessed their right to social protection.
Yeah i like the ideanicepecsigot wrote:come to think of it if there are roughly 167,00 applicants for naturalisation(correct me if im wrong) if they just approve them all that would be great for economy whooping 950 euros each applicant....whatta load of money for the economy
This is what I have been told by an Irish person knows some people in INIS: "they have minds of their own" meaning: nobody really knows what, how, why, and when they are doing things up there in INIS !!NearlyIrish wrote:Folks,
Anyone out here who made an application around May - June 2006 and still waiting pls?
INIS states that the average time from application to decision is now at 23 months and that more complicated cases can at times take more than the current average while an element of straight forward cases are now being dealt with in less than that time scale.
Mine has been in the pipeline for nearly 32 months which is way above the avg. processing time mentioned above and this leads me to believe that my case is somehow complicated but whenever I ask INIS I'm told that my case is still awaiting Gardai clearance where there is a backlog.
Now I'm thinking if there is a backlog then it should affect everybody in the system not just a few people. Don't really know what's happening. Any help/guidance much appreciated.
NearlyIrish wrote:Folks,
Anyone out here who made an application around May - June 2006 and still waiting pls?
INIS states that the average time from application to decision is now at 23 months and that more complicated cases can at times take more than the current average while an element of straight forward cases are now being dealt with in less than that time scale.
Mine has been in the pipeline for nearly 32 months which is way above the avg. processing time mentioned above and this leads me to believe that my case is somehow complicated but whenever I ask INIS I'm told that my case is still awaiting Gardai clearance where there is a backlog.
Now I'm thinking if there is a backlog then it should affect everybody in the system not just a few people. Don't really know what's happening. Any help/guidance much appreciated.
sideshowsue wrote:NearlyIrish wrote:Folks,
Anyone out here who made an application around May - June 2006 and still waiting pls?
INIS states that the average time from application to decision is now at 23 months and that more complicated cases can at times take more than the current average while an element of straight forward cases are now being dealt with in less than that time scale.
Mine has been in the pipeline for nearly 32 months which is way above the avg. processing time mentioned above and this leads me to believe that my case is somehow complicated but whenever I ask INIS I'm told that my case is still awaiting Gardai clearance where there is a backlog.
Now I'm thinking if there is a backlog then it should affect everybody in the system not just a few people. Don't really know what's happening. Any help/guidance much appreciated.
I submitted an application at the end of August/beginning of September 2006. I got a letter requesting further documents this past September and shortly thereafter received a letter confirming the receipt of the requested documents.
I rang about two weeks ago and I was told that my file was currently with 'outside agencies' and perhaps more information would be available in 6 weeks' time. Whatever. I laughed to myself when the woman on the phone told me to 'Be patient. We haven't forgotten about you.' I think this is exactly the problem: nearly 50% of current applications are not on-site and are awaiting further processing by external agencies. I kinda suspect that they'd be delighted if this 50% would get lost/destroyed/burned in fire.
It seems like they've buried all applications made during the second-half of 2006. I haven't the first clue where they're getting 23 months as their average processing time. By this reckoning, our files, which are currently log-jammed in 'outside agencies,' should be putting a serious dent into this '23-month average.'
No doubt this backlog is the direct result of the suspension of all overtime for the Gardai. What's more, the pension levy won't spur worker productivity in any of the services involved. So I expect the real processing time (as opposed to this imaginary 23-month processing time) to push the 3 1/2 years mark.