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Well, there are no gurantees in life and the world is not fair. So the best things is not having regret but pat yourself in the back that you did give it the best shot and move on. Life itself is not guranteed it can end an moment.GSOtodd wrote:I'm starting to feel that way. Is this the only country that changes rules retrospectively?
Siggi wrote:Hang in there things will improve sooner or later.
GSOtodd wrote:I'm starting to feel that way. Is this the only country that changes rules retrospectively?
Markie wrote:No one can "see" his future. If this was true then all would have instant millionaires!!! It's your best decision at that point in time when you decided to come here and you should not feel bad for it - unless you were forced to be here and that's another storyline.
GSOtodd wrote:I'm starting to feel that way. Is this the only country that changes rules retrospectively?
True. no guarantees in life. Especially if you are a HSMP immigrant from a non-european country.Wright wrote:Well, there are no gurantees in life and the world is not fair. So the best things is not having regret but pat yourself in the back that you did give it the best shot and move on. Life itself is not guranteed it can end an moment.GSOtodd wrote:I'm starting to feel that way. Is this the only country that changes rules retrospectively?
bbkaran wrote:You are kind of forced to be here. You came in becasue you were promised in wrinting certain status. To prove your commitment you had to give up everything you had in your home country. Now you can't go anywhere and you are forced to live here. Makes sense?
Markie wrote:No one can "see" his future. If this was true then all would have instant millionaires!!! It's your best decision at that point in time when you decided to come here and you should not feel bad for it - unless you were forced to be here and that's another storyline.
GSOtodd wrote:I'm starting to feel that way. Is this the only country that changes rules retrospectively?
Well, supposing you go to a restaurant that advertises all-you-can-eat dinner for £20, then halfway thru your dinner they tell you the price has been increased to £30! The changing of goalposts and applying them retroactively to people who have already been here is quite similar.Markie wrote:The UK alone did not force you to be here in the first place...it was YOUR decision...not theirs.
bbkaran wrote:You are kind of forced to be here. You came in becasue you were promised in wrinting certain status. To prove your commitment you had to give up everything you had in your home country. Now you can't go anywhere and you are forced to live here. Makes sense?
Markie wrote:No one can "see" his future. If this was true then all would have instant millionaires!!! It's your best decision at that point in time when you decided to come here and you should not feel bad for it - unless you were forced to be here and that's another storyline.
GSOtodd wrote:I'm starting to feel that way. Is this the only country that changes rules retrospectively?
Yes but because of this info, one made a choice and let go other choices such as other visas to work in different countries or staying where they were because they were willing to come since it took 4 years versus 5 years which was better than other countries.paulp wrote:There is a difference to the restaurant analogy. The path to settlement and citizenship is not one big step but many small steps each with its own checkpoints and requirements to satisfy.
The HSMP literature at the time, by saying 4 years to settlement, created an expection but did not explicitly state that the requirements and criteria for the other steps (HSMP only allowing somebody to work) would not change in the future. Everybody knows that these steps are quite separate and can change at any time.
The point is no amount of regret is gonna change the past, if anything will only increase one's stress level.bbkaran wrote:True. no guarantees in life. Especially if you are a HSMP immigrant from a non-european country.
What if you sue them and judge agree with "the restaurant". The restaurant had infact clause which says they reserve the rights to change the price any any moment notice before or during your dinner the only exception is they can't do it after your finish the dinner and everybody who eat there had sign on to these agreement which are in very small print on the menu most of diners didn't notice that clause in a small print.global gypsy wrote:Well, supposing you go to a restaurant that advertises all-you-can-eat dinner for £20, then halfway thru your dinner they tell you the price has been increased to £30! The changing of goalposts and applying them retroactively to people who have already been here is quite similar.Markie wrote:The UK alone did not force you to be here in the first place...it was YOUR decision...not theirs.
bbkaran wrote:You are kind of forced to be here. You came in becasue you were promised in wrinting certain status. To prove your commitment you had to give up everything you had in your home country. Now you can't go anywhere and you are forced to live here. Makes sense?
Markie wrote:No one can "see" his future. If this was true then all would have instant millionaires!!! It's your best decision at that point in time when you decided to come here and you should not feel bad for it - unless you were forced to be here and that's another storyline.
And wrong.
That's the whole point.
(Would you say 'the restaurant didn't force you to go there?' No, you would sue them.)
Talking about cars, You can also have accident just because the other driver is drunk and hit you. You can't legislate for events like that no matter how careful you are.gorajim wrote:Its like driving on the motorway... during one of those "phantom" traffic jams, you are not really certain which lane would end up fastest...
You have the option of staying in your lane, or changing lanes... either way, the result of your outcome does not depend on where you have been, but on where to are at the moment... everytime you change lanes, that outcome can and will bear a different result...
Sorry mates, been driving too much lately...
Cheers.
Wright wrote:Talking about cars, You can have accident just because the other driver is drunk and hit you. You can't legislate for events like that no matter how careful you are.gorajim wrote:Its like driving on the motorway... during one of those "phantom" traffic jams, you are not really certain which lane would end up fastest...
You have the option of staying in your lane, or changing lanes... either way, the result of your outcome does not depend on where you have been, but on where to are at the moment... everytime you change lanes, that outcome can and will bear a different result...
Sorry mates, been driving too much lately...
Cheers.
Are you suggesting that HSMP visa holders signed upto this "small Print: Right to change rules"? If that is the case then they have no reason to complain about.Wright wrote:What if you sue them and judge agree with "the restaurant". The restaurant had infact clause which says they reserve the rights to change the price any any moment notice before or during your dinner the only exception is they can't do it after your finish the dinner and everybody who eat there had sign on to these agreement which are in very small print on the menu most of diners didn't notice that clause in a small print.global gypsy wrote:Well, supposing you go to a restaurant that advertises all-you-can-eat dinner for £20, then halfway thru your dinner they tell you the price has been increased to £30! The changing of goalposts and applying them retroactively to people who have already been here is quite similar.Markie wrote:The UK alone did not force you to be here in the first place...it was YOUR decision...not theirs.
bbkaran wrote:You are kind of forced to be here. You came in becasue you were promised in wrinting certain status. To prove your commitment you had to give up everything you had in your home country. Now you can't go anywhere and you are forced to live here. Makes sense?
And wrong.
That's the whole point.
(Would you say 'the restaurant didn't force you to go there?' No, you would sue them.)
I agree that British System is one of the fairest in the world. That is one of the reasons for people wanting to migrate here.Wright wrote:The point is no amount of regret is gonna change the past, if anything will only increase one's stress level.bbkaran wrote:True. no guarantees in life. Especially if you are a HSMP immigrant from a non-european country.
The best way course of action IMHO will be to look to future and decide where to move on from here and learn the lesson from this next time may be one should always hedge his bet always keep open other options until his status is secured.
Channelling all your energy and brainpower to plan the future accept UK has right to do whatever it wants with its immigration laws and policies most of the time are fair but they can use their discretion and change them restrospective for non UK citizens during exception times (During wars, massive immigration in short space of time, economic downturn, terrorism threat etc) as they see fit. By the way all of the above 4 things are happens to UK. Accept that was one of those black Swan events and you happened to be on wrong side of it at the wrong time.
People affected need know they can still have great future here or elsewhere if they don't lose their confidence. Don't make that setback become disaster or terminal.
Exactly. They have indeed not only HSMP but also all visa nationals who come to UK. You see every country has inherent right and reserve the right to to use their discretion on certain circumstances. Now, they might not use it at all for ages but it is there nonetheless.bbkaran wrote:Are you suggesting that HSMP visa holders signed upto this "small Print: Right to change rules"? If that is the case then they have no reason to complain about.Wright wrote:What if you sue them and judge agree with "the restaurant". The restaurant had infact clause which says they reserve the rights to change the price any any moment notice before or during your dinner the only exception is they can't do it after your finish the dinner and everybody who eat there had sign on to these agreement which are in very small print on the menu most of diners didn't notice that clause in a small print.global gypsy wrote:Well, supposing you go to a restaurant that advertises all-you-can-eat dinner for £20, then halfway thru your dinner they tell you the price has been increased to £30! The changing of goalposts and applying them retroactively to people who have already been here is quite similar.Markie wrote:The UK alone did not force you to be here in the first place...it was YOUR decision...not theirs.
And wrong.
That's the whole point.
(Would you say 'the restaurant didn't force you to go there?' No, you would sue them.)