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October 2006 for LTR. I do not bother to phone to enquire, because I will get annoyed with waiting and stupid answers. On my last update confirmation, they mentioned "outside" agency.NearlyIrish wrote:To Rustig...
How long did our LTR take to process?
Also, at which stage of the process is your citizenship application now i.e. Garda, other agencies etc?? as communicated by INIS
Personally, I'd be very concerned. One of the criteria for approval is that one is able to support oneself financially in Ireland. INIS has refused some people on account of receiving unemployment benefit even though these people were fully entitled to it since they had had been working and making good money for years before they had the misfortune of being made redundant. INIS does not seem to interested in the whys and wherefores--merely states of affairs.Persol wrote:Hi all,
my friend is asked to send her P21, payslips and bank statement. The prob is that she has no money in her bank account and she has been overdrafting during the last 3 months. Will this cause her any probs? She has a good immigration history though and she gets paid well enough! Her prob is that she spends all her money quickly!
this system is like a wife. Just love it, don't try to understand.NearlyIrish wrote:To NotYetIrish...
I applied in May 2006 and we have almost the same timelines.
I'm just scratching my head to understand what's going. I must write to them again and state that I'm a doctor as well, a PC doctor.
We need to get the yard on this 2006 application vacuum
In fairness I dont believe this to be a problem. As long as you arent drawing benefits it shouldnt be a problem. Who has thousands of euro lying around sitting in a current account nowadays(very few id imagine). We bought a house a while back and put a hefty deposit down which cleared out our savings. Should we have left that money in the current account to satisfy INIS that we had money in reserve.sideshowsue wrote:Personally, I'd be very concerned. One of the criteria for approval is that one is able to support oneself financially in Ireland. INIS has refused some people on account of receiving unemployment benefit even though these people were fully entitled to it since they had had been working and making good money for years before they had the misfortune of being made redundant. INIS does not seem to interested in the whys and wherefores--merely states of affairs.Persol wrote:Hi all,
my friend is asked to send her P21, payslips and bank statement. The prob is that she has no money in her bank account and she has been overdrafting during the last 3 months. Will this cause her any probs? She has a good immigration history though and she gets paid well enough! Her prob is that she spends all her money quickly!
So even though she's working, she's being financially irresponsible and all that needs to happen for things to spiral out of control is for her to lose her job--and this is a very *real* possibility for most everyone right now.
That's completely infuriating if true. Nevertheless it does explain the whole '2006 apps aren't budging' thing.tiggs wrote:lets throw more into rumour pot... application prior to 2007...i.e. 2006 etc... are the ones in dublin..citizenship office... technically everyone from citizenship office has to move to Tipp as part of decentralisation process. But longer they hold to applications... better their chances are to be in Dublin.
Just got this one from someone close to me working in four courts.
regards
tiggs
Tiggs not sure what you are trying to say here - is it that the longer youre app is in Dublin the greater the chance of approval, or the longer youre app is in Dublin the longer it will take to get processed.tiggs wrote:lets throw more into rumour pot... application prior to 2007...i.e. 2006 etc... are the ones in dublin..citizenship office... technically everyone from citizenship office has to move to Tipp as part of decentralisation process. But longer they hold to applications... better their chances are to be in Dublin.
Just got this one from someone close to me working in four courts.
regards
tiggs
As tiggs has indicated, this is purely speculation, but it does seem to explain why 2006 apps have effectively been buried.jhbmike wrote:Tiggs not sure what you are trying to say here - is it that the longer youre app is in Dublin the greater the chance of approval, or the longer youre app is in Dublin the longer it will take to get processed.tiggs wrote:lets throw more into rumour pot... application prior to 2007...i.e. 2006 etc... are the ones in dublin..citizenship office... technically everyone from citizenship office has to move to Tipp as part of decentralisation process. But longer they hold to applications... better their chances are to be in Dublin.
Just got this one from someone close to me working in four courts.
regards
tiggs
Maybe this is the guy(Leo Varadkar) we need to ask to put forward the question as to why 2006 applications are on hold?YMC wrote:The Minister still maintains that they deal with applications "chronologically", see a PQ below. Which proves, as we all know anyway, that he wouldn't even blink lying through his teeth. Well, he wouldn't blink about 23 month either. Do you pepople find it really ironic, that an organisation called "department of justice and equality" will be the one to treat people so grossly unfair and unjust! I personally find it sickening... And the really bitter part is that we can't complain anywhere about it.tom4 wrote: I notice that lately they seem to have dropped their claim that they are processed in chronological order.
Dermot Ahern wrote: 627. Deputy Leo Varadkar Information Zoom asked the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform Information Zoom the order in which applications for naturalisation are dealt with; if any cases are being expedited; the basis on which this is done; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [1259/09]
Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (Deputy Dermot Ahern): Information Zoom Applications for certificates of naturalisation are dealt with in chronological order as this is deemed to be the fairest system for all applicants. Certain categories of applicant receive a faster decision as their cases are less complex and require less processing and assessment. These include refugees, spouses of Irish citizens and applications made on behalf of minors. In exceptional circumstances, I may expedite a decision on an application. Each application is assessed individually.
The average processing time from application to decision is now 23 months. More complicated cases can at times take considerably more than the current average while an element of straight forward cases are now being dealt with in less than that timescale. There is a limit to the processing time that can be achieved as applications for naturalisation must be processed in a way which preserves the necessary checks and balances to ensure it is not undervalued and is only given to persons who genuinely satisfy the necessary qualifying criteria.
http://www.leovaradkar.ie/NearlyIrish wrote:To scrudu....great initiative. I'll definitely have a look and revert.
To JhbMike... really good idea to get in touch with Leo. How do we do this?
Any idea anyone?
I used to be a civil servant and one thing that civil servants forget is that their salaries and benefits come from the tax payments of residents in the form of Govt. Exp. All the govt is doing is transferring the money from us to them.
Given that Ireland has a long history of emigration, the day immigrants decide to flock out of this country there will be a big struggle to fund pensions/benefits + a big drain of human capital which most emerging countries like China, Brazil, Russia and India are capitalising and competing on. You need skilled people to build a strong economy and to make a difference. Here's an analogy for having a multi-cultural society: if you put the same ingredients in various dishes, and cook them the same way you will most probably end up with the same dish not a different or new dish. Hence, if you have the same people with the same skills and value sets as you there is less opportunity to have breakthrough synergies and innovation. If you say that your country is very much open for business then you also need to be ready to open your doors to people.
The way I look at it is we are some of the key customers of INIS. What will they be doing when the demand for naturalisation/immigration reduces significantly??? In the current economic climate no one is immune and only cost-effective orgs with a customer-centric culture will survive this turmoil and that includes the the govt. sector as well.
Could it also be that maybe they have been instructed to get the 2007 applications completed as quickly as possible so as to bring down the average processing times. I read somewhere in PQs about the unnaceptable average processing times.tom4 wrote:You can try, but we will just get one of the meaningless standard answers
(kind of like the one above).
Mine is 2006 and was in Tipp, now with Social welfare, not sure what this does to the theory, but I do know that there is a LOT of resistance to decentralisation and the go-slow approach is one that has been used in the past.
