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Is there any industry that is not affected by now? Seriously?shockboy2000 wrote:do you work in an industry affected by all the job losses ?
It is difficult if you have family or a lot of belongings.shockboy2000 wrote:Thats the biggest thing ive noticed with people in the UK (citizens and foreigners), is the unwillingness to move around/seek work in other towns...would rather sit around unemployed and complain that a job isnt handed to them on a platter.
In my opinion the tier 1 extension system is partly to blame for this. If you are to get 45 points through earnings which means earning in excess of 40 grand a year, that's a tall order if you work outside of London.are you only looking at london ? i.e. excluding yourself from jobs in all of the rest of the uk ? Thats the biggest thing ive noticed with people in the UK (citizens and foreigners), is the unwillingness to move around/seek work in other towns
yes, i guess its better to sit on the sofa earning nothing, not providing for your family, then going home when Home Office says your lack of working doesnt qualify you for a visa extension.igetaround wrote:Is there any industry that is not affected by now? Seriously?shockboy2000 wrote:do you work in an industry affected by all the job losses ?
It is difficult if you have family or a lot of belongings.shockboy2000 wrote:Thats the biggest thing ive noticed with people in the UK (citizens and foreigners), is the unwillingness to move around/seek work in other towns...would rather sit around unemployed and complain that a job isnt handed to them on a platter.
Besides during the recession the probability of you being made redundant is very high, and moving for every new job is just too expensive. It makes sense to settle in the biggest employment centre in the country - London (and wait until the end of the bad times).
will working in a call centre get you enough $$$ to extend your visa after the 1st year?coolsats wrote:How about jobs in the call center industry. Are they as bad as the Software industry. In India its never a problem getting job in the bpo and call center industry.
By the way am data warehousing professional. just thinking that if i don't get a job in my field, then till the time being i can work in a call center to make both the ends meet, in case i decide to come to the UK.
coolsats wrote:How about jobs in the call center industry. Are they as bad as the Software industry. In India its never a problem getting job in the bpo and call center industry.
By the way am data warehousing professional. just thinking that if i don't get a job in my field, then till the time being i can work in a call center to make both the ends meet, in case i decide to come to the UK.
Thats pretty rude mate. I assume that you are a bachelor and have no commitments whatsoever. Think yourself as a guy who lives in a small town in South West with a non-working wife who takes care of two kids both going to school with a own house on a mortgage. This is an average brit's life.shockboy2000 wrote:yes, i guess its better to sit on the sofa earning nothing, not providing for your family, then going home when Home Office says your lack of working doesnt qualify you for a visa extension.igetaround wrote:Is there any industry that is not affected by now? Seriously?shockboy2000 wrote:do you work in an industry affected by all the job losses ?
It is difficult if you have family or a lot of belongings.shockboy2000 wrote:Thats the biggest thing ive noticed with people in the UK (citizens and foreigners), is the unwillingness to move around/seek work in other towns...would rather sit around unemployed and complain that a job isnt handed to them on a platter.
Besides during the recession the probability of you being made redundant is very high, and moving for every new job is just too expensive. It makes sense to settle in the biggest employment centre in the country - London (and wait until the end of the bad times).
To the OP: do some research as to where the jobs will be for YOU, before u come here. dont assume london is the 'be all and end all'. Ask yourself if u are prepared to work elsewhere in the uk.
Staying put in london simply because its the largest place, so there must be more jobs - sounds like the attitude of someone who isnt very confident in their skills.
as for salary variances across the country, thats a pretty good idea...but it starts getting subjective as to where to place the border limits. And some professions will pay differently.
An ordinary permie computer programmer/tester will earn 35K+ outside of london (more in london), therefore a HIGHLY skilled IT person should have no concerns where they are based salary wise, but someone who is highly skilled in another profession may struggle to earn similar amounts in some parts of the country.
bruceb wrote:Need some success stories folks, have been hearing all bad things from the last week, have we got anyone, who has been out of the job and back into it recently? in IT.
I'm have been applying for .Net jobs from India, no luck what so ever.
WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.maheshnair wrote:coolsats wrote: All big indian companies have already eaten and moved many jobs to India .
It is not the UK job market that is a problem , it is these companies who are creating hell .
I lost my first job as a contractor when one of the Big indian companies came in and offered a rate of a beggar(1/4th) and also buy 1 take 1 resource free etc .
Almost 250 localites lost job from that company because of this Indian company .
They moved whole IT to india and made 250 guys jobless .
Recently the UK company is hiring back contractors as the Indian guys screwed things up and they lost millions of pounds ...
aman wrote:maheshnair wrote:WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.coolsats wrote: All big indian companies have already eaten and moved many jobs to India .
It is not the UK job market that is a problem , it is these companies who are creating hell .
I lost my first job as a contractor when one of the Big indian companies came in and offered a rate of a beggar(1/4th) and also buy 1 take 1 resource free etc .
Almost 250 localites lost job from that company because of this Indian company .
They moved whole IT to india and made 250 guys jobless .
Recently the UK company is hiring back contractors as the Indian guys screwed things up and they lost millions of pounds ...
Time for a bitter truth for you Mr nair. You have pricked me enough
First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view.
The core lies in creating value, where ever you are who ever you are, indian or NRI(inspite of the cribbing!) or American, Brit etc..
True there are a lot of low quality high quantity pitch thrown about (and thats needed as well), but you got to be blind to not see less but sureely high quality stuff coming out o India. The pay obviously for such professionals is not trivial and that my friend is flat economy for you.
Now I can compare many top notch Indians/others here or home with you and tell you what triviality you have achieved in your life. Let me just say wake up and realize that if its just because you happen to be here you HAVE money or you are creating worth thats why you MAKE money.
What you are saying is of the same league as saying since you are Indian/Nair/NRI/sarkari you should get the job. Well if folks in UK did that I am sure we(including them) will be back in medieval times. Move on Mahesh . If you have these cretches(being here/ localite/ as a reason to getting a job) you will always limp . Collaborate and Seek ladders like the UK economy..thats what the smart ,value seeking guys devised for you..free markets...to grow your value and theirs too not at your or their or anybody's expense but definitely having competition. Live it up or keep cribbing the choice is yours.
Allright now something for this thread:
As folks have mentioned here, the jobs are there for the specific skills. As an example a friend of mine has worked as embedded engineer. His contract got over and he went back to India for a while and came bac. It took him a month to get a job. There were not many calls he had. Now the job he got was in Set top box company. He had prior experience in that No other embedded software company approached him like mobile phones/Cars/ other
So in a nutshell. My 2 cents: Seek the specific companies that do the stuff that you think you have specialized in. Else might be good to invest in yourself and become skilled at present job/expand and explore oppurtunities there till economy picks up .or could go for higher degree if you can afford the time and money.
maheshnair wrote:aman wrote:maheshnair wrote:WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.coolsats wrote: All big indian companies have already eaten and moved many jobs to India .
It is not the UK job market that is a problem , it is these companies who are creating hell .
I lost my first job as a contractor when one of the Big indian companies came in and offered a rate of a beggar(1/4th) and also buy 1 take 1 resource free etc .
Almost 250 localites lost job from that company because of this Indian company .
They moved whole IT to india and made 250 guys jobless .
Recently the UK company is hiring back contractors as the Indian guys screwed things up and they lost millions of pounds ...
Time for a bitter truth for you Mr nair. You have pricked me enough
First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view.
The core lies in creating value, where ever you are who ever you are, indian or NRI(inspite of the cribbing!) or American, Brit etc..
True there are a lot of low quality high quantity pitch thrown about (and thats needed as well), but you got to be blind to not see less but sureely high quality stuff coming out o India. The pay obviously for such professionals is not trivial and that my friend is flat economy for you.
Now I can compare many top notch Indians/others here or home with you and tell you what triviality you have achieved in your life. Let me just say wake up and realize that if its just because you happen to be here you HAVE money or you are creating worth thats why you MAKE money.
What you are saying is of the same league as saying since you are Indian/Nair/NRI/sarkari you should get the job. Well if folks in UK did that I am sure we(including them) will be back in medieval times. Move on Mahesh . If you have these cretches(being here/ localite/ as a reason to getting a job) you will always limp . Collaborate and Seek ladders like the UK economy..thats what the smart ,value seeking guys devised for you..free markets...to grow your value and theirs too not at your or their or anybody's expense but definitely having competition. Live it up or keep cribbing the choice is yours.
Allright now something for this thread:
As folks have mentioned here, the jobs are there for the specific skills. As an example a friend of mine has worked as embedded engineer. His contract got over and he went back to India for a while and came bac. It took him a month to get a job. There were not many calls he had. Now the job he got was in Set top box company. He had prior experience in that No other embedded software company approached him like mobile phones/Cars/ other
So in a nutshell. My 2 cents: Seek the specific companies that do the stuff that you think you have specialized in. Else might be good to invest in yourself and become skilled at present job/expand and explore oppurtunities there till economy picks up .or could go for higher degree if you can afford the time and money.
Mr Aman ,
"First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view. "
Dont assume things son .
I came here in student VISA spending lakhs and was then hired by a UK company . My fist Job was with a UK company .
Again i say these INDIAN companies are the biggest reasons why Localites loose Job .
Just if you throw away the first three Big indian companies from UK .
Localites will get thousands of jobs .....
They come here , say the client that they will move job to India and will quote a rate like 100 £ / 120 £ and say they will give 10 free resources etc and Push the whole project to India and thus spoils the Life of a UK guy who will go jobless and stand on roads begging .....
Looks like ur tier1 is rejected ?ashishashah wrote:Well, World is flat..If you can get a cheper resource and same quality ,cos. will prefer that..Its simple economics..
If you want to compete with so called "cheap" resources/beggers, try to pull your socks up and do some value addition.
Now you are competing with every 1 in the world ,not just local people
Could not have put in better words ! Couldn't agree more.aman wrote:
WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.
Time for a bitter truth for you Mr nair. You have pricked me enough
First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view.
The core lies in creating value, where ever you are who ever you are, indian or NRI(inspite of the cribbing!) or American, Brit etc..
True there are a lot of low quality high quantity pitch thrown about (and thats needed as well), but you got to be blind to not see less but sureely high quality stuff coming out o India. The pay obviously for such professionals is not trivial and that my friend is flat economy for you.
Now I can compare many top notch Indians/others here or home with you and tell you what triviality you have achieved in your life. Let me just say wake up and realize that if its just because you happen to be here you HAVE money or you are creating worth thats why you MAKE money.
What you are saying is of the same league as saying since you are Indian/Nair/NRI/sarkari you should get the job. Well if folks in UK did that I am sure we(including them) will be back in medieval times. Move on Mahesh . If you have these cretches(being here/ localite/ as a reason to getting a job) you will always limp . Collaborate and Seek ladders like the UK economy..thats what the smart ,value seeking guys devised for you..free markets...to grow your value and theirs too not at your or their or anybody's expense but definitely having competition. Live it up or keep cribbing the choice is yours.
Allright now something for this thread:
As folks have mentioned here, the jobs are there for the specific skills. As an example a friend of mine has worked as embedded engineer. His contract got over and he went back to India for a while and came bac. It took him a month to get a job. There were not many calls he had. Now the job he got was in Set top box company. He had prior experience in that No other embedded software company approached him like mobile phones/Cars/ other
So in a nutshell. My 2 cents: Seek the specific companies that do the stuff that you think you have specialized in. Else might be good to invest in yourself and become skilled at present job/expand and explore oppurtunities there till economy picks up .or could go for higher degree if you can afford the time and money.
maheshnair wrote:aman wrote:maheshnair wrote:WOW!!.. you seem to have achieved the ubiquitous NRI status: Naturally Roundu(cribber) Indian.coolsats wrote: All big indian companies have already eaten and moved many jobs to India .
It is not the UK job market that is a problem , it is these companies who are creating hell .
I lost my first job as a contractor when one of the Big indian companies came in and offered a rate of a beggar(1/4th) and also buy 1 take 1 resource free etc .
Almost 250 localites lost job from that company because of this Indian company .
They moved whole IT to india and made 250 guys jobless .
Recently the UK company is hiring back contractors as the Indian guys screwed things up and they lost millions of pounds ...
Time for a bitter truth for you Mr nair. You have pricked me enough
First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view.
The core lies in creating value, where ever you are who ever you are, indian or NRI(inspite of the cribbing!) or American, Brit etc..
True there are a lot of low quality high quantity pitch thrown about (and thats needed as well), but you got to be blind to not see less but sureely high quality stuff coming out o India. The pay obviously for such professionals is not trivial and that my friend is flat economy for you.
Now I can compare many top notch Indians/others here or home with you and tell you what triviality you have achieved in your life. Let me just say wake up and realize that if its just because you happen to be here you HAVE money or you are creating worth thats why you MAKE money.
What you are saying is of the same league as saying since you are Indian/Nair/NRI/sarkari you should get the job. Well if folks in UK did that I am sure we(including them) will be back in medieval times. Move on Mahesh . If you have these cretches(being here/ localite/ as a reason to getting a job) you will always limp . Collaborate and Seek ladders like the UK economy..thats what the smart ,value seeking guys devised for you..free markets...to grow your value and theirs too not at your or their or anybody's expense but definitely having competition. Live it up or keep cribbing the choice is yours.
Allright now something for this thread:
As folks have mentioned here, the jobs are there for the specific skills. As an example a friend of mine has worked as embedded engineer. His contract got over and he went back to India for a while and came bac. It took him a month to get a job. There were not many calls he had. Now the job he got was in Set top box company. He had prior experience in that No other embedded software company approached him like mobile phones/Cars/ other
So in a nutshell. My 2 cents: Seek the specific companies that do the stuff that you think you have specialized in. Else might be good to invest in yourself and become skilled at present job/expand and explore oppurtunities there till economy picks up .or could go for higher degree if you can afford the time and money.
Mr Aman ,
"First things first. The very reason many came over here was because there were these Indian companies which had hired them and gave them the necessary experience in my view and the necessary "qualifying money" in your view. "
Dont assume things son .
I came here in student VISA spending lakhs and was then hired by a UK company . My fist Job was with a UK company .
Again i say these INDIAN companies are the biggest reasons why Localites loose Job .
Just if you throw away the first three Big indian companies from UK .
Localites will get thousands of jobs .....
They come here , say the client that they will move job to India and will quote a rate like 100 £ / 120 £ and say they will give 10 free resources etc and Push the whole project to India and thus spoils the Life of a UK guy who will go jobless and stand on roads begging .....