hsmp->tier 1 extension as employee refusal. Need an advic

[romanslon]

hi all,
I've got a refusal today with the following statement:

Qualification: 30 Points awarded

Previous Earnings: 0 Points awarded

----statement----
You stated an income of £23.000.00 (20 points)

You have supplied two piece of evidence to support this. However, the evidence you supplied is not acceptable because:

1. You have claimed earnings from 29 November 2007 to 16 June 2008 and from 01 August 2008 to 11 December 2008, which is more than 12 consecutive months.

2.The payslips you have provided for the months X,Y,Z have not been authenticated(now I know why. Because of their is no signature or stamp on it. Just printed sheets with company header and full statement which was not enoght) by your previous emmployer.
----statement----

UK Experience: 5 points awarded

Age: 20 points awarded

English level: 10 points awarded

Maintenance: 0 points awarded

---statement----
I didnt follow 1 month deadline for the latest bank statement.
---statement----


My visa expires Oct 09, so I have one more chance.

Before I reaply, I have some question to Dear Community:

I claimed for 20 points(I earned more than £23k from full time salaried employee), but if you cont all awarded points it will be clear that I've got 65 points(+10 points for Maintenance which I will get easily as I hold more than 1.5k on by bank acccount for 3 months for the new application)

Question 1: How many points I must claim in my new application than? - 20(£23k+) or 15(£20k+) ?

There is my salary break down:

2008
January - full time day job.
February - full time day job.
March - full time day job.
April - full time day job.
May - full time day job.
June - full time day job.
July - DIDN'T WORK, so no income as an employee.
August - full time day job.
September - full time day job.
October - full time day job.
November - full time day job.
December - full time day job.
Total earned: £21,000.00

2009
January - Self Employed Contractor.
February - Self Employed Contractor.
March - Self Employed Contractor.
--under question, as I must the 2008-2009 year by end of April.

If I apply this month(April) which months I must cover to reach Points I need(see above).

Greatfuly thanks for all answers coming!

[maheshnair]

hi all,
I've got a refusal today with the following statement:

Qualification: 30 Points awarded

Previous Earnings: 0 Points awarded

----statement----
You stated an income of £23.000.00 (20 points)

You have supplied two piece of evidence to support this. However, the evidence you supplied is not acceptable because:

1. You have claimed earnings from 29 November 2007 to 16 June 2008 and from 01 August 2008 to 11 December 2008, which is more than 12 consecutive months.

2.The payslips you have provided for the months X,Y,Z have not been authenticated(now I know why. Because of their is no signature or stamp on it. Just printed sheets with company header and full statement which was not enoght) by your previous emmployer.
----statement----

UK Experience: 5 points awarded

Age: 20 points awarded

English level: 10 points awarded

Maintenance: 0 points awarded

---statement----
I didnt follow 1 month deadline for the latest bank statement.
---statement----


My visa expires Oct 09, so I have one more chance.

Before I reaply, I have some question to Dear Community:

I claimed for 20 points(I earned more than £23k from full time salaried employee), but if you cont all awarded points it will be clear that I've got 65 points(+10 points for Maintenance which I will get easily as I hold more than 1.5k on by bank acccount for 3 months for the new application)

Question 1: How many points I must claim in my new application than? - 20(£23k+) or 15(£20k+) ?

There is my salary break down:

2008
January - full time day job.
February - full time day job.
March - full time day job.
April - full time day job.
May - full time day job.
June - full time day job.
July - DIDN'T WORK, so no income as an employee.
August - full time day job.
September - full time day job.
October - full time day job.
November - full time day job.
December - full time day job.
Total earned: £21,000.00

2009
January - Self Employed Contractor.
February - Self Employed Contractor.
March - Self Employed Contractor.
--under question, as I must the 2008-2009 year by end of April.

If I apply this month(April) which months I must cover to reach Points I need(see above).

Greatfuly thanks for all answers coming!

What 1 more chance ...?

Take an appointment man . Same day service ...U will have 2- 3 chances then .


It is not how many chances , 1 or 100 .
Read guidance and go properly . Dont go as if buying lottery ...or hit out / get out ...style ...

You did many mistakes .... > 12 months NOT POSSIBLE
> 1 month NOT possible for maintainence funds .

My final advice :
open guidance read 10 times , mark every point . Make sure you eligible .
check you documents 10 times .

[mandhan]

Hi romanslon,

Regarding your statement below mentioning the second reason for refusal:

"[b]2.The payslips you have provided for the months X,Y,Z have not been authenticated(now I know why. Because of their is no signature or stamp on it. Just printed sheets with company header and full statement which was not enoght) by your previous emmployer.[/b] "


Referring to the tier 1 policy guideline on page 23, section 127-i, this is what is specified:

[b]Payslips: [u]These should be either formal payslips or on company headed paper.[/u] If payslips are not on headed paper or the applicant receives all pay slips online, he/she must authenticate the evidence by asking the employer to sign and stamp a printout.[/b]

So if I have understood the rules correctly, if you submitted your payslip on a company letter head, you dont need to have it stamped or signed by your employer. Therefore the 2nd reason for refusal seems odd unless there was some other mistake.

What do other members on the forum think? I am a bit worried now as one of my 12 payslips was printed on the company headed paper but was not signed/stamped.

Please respond guys..

[netacct]

Even I was thinking that if the online salary slips are printed on Company Headed paper then you don't need signature or stamp on it...
Any other opinion?

[romanslon]

that all right guys, will reapply anyway with checked statements, paylips.

thanks for advices given

[push]

2.The payslips you have provided for the months X,Y,Z have not been authenticated(now I know why. Because of their is no signature or stamp on it. Just printed sheets with company header and full statement which was not enoght) by your previous emmployer.

When you say printed sheets with Company header are you referring to a proper letter-head of the company?

[mandhan]

push_hsmp, I think what romanslon might have meant by "printed sheets with company headers" was the payslip printed on a simple sheet with compny details printed at the top.
Otherwise the 2nd reason given by the HO for his rejection does not make sense. What do you think?

[romanslon]

yes, The company name is on the top.Printer printed sheets. White paper. I'm afraid they wanted that one which usually printed on special sheets(green or blue fields fillied with payslip details).
Anyway I have no change and must chase my previous employee to stamp/seal that unaccepted sheets and write a letter which states so.

thanks for answers guys!

[hsmp12345]

yes, The company name is on the top.Printer printed sheets. White paper. I'm afraid they wanted that one which usually printed on special sheets(green or blue fields fillied with payslip details).
Anyway I have no change and must chase my previous employee to stamp/seal that unaccepted sheets and write a letter which states so.

thanks for answers guys!

Hi Learned members,

I am still bit confused with what is required. I am employed with an Indian company that provides a softcopy of salary slips which contains company logo at the top with their Indian address mentioned at the footer of page. Do you think this would be a problem ?

Also, if I have to submit it to Home Office, do I need to take printout in normal A4 printer sheets (or some special paper) ?

Looking forward to valuable suggestions.

Thank You
hsmp12345

[netacct]

Yes, to be honest even I am confused now...

I though online salary slips printed on official letter head which has logo at the top should be fine with no stamps or signature. A signature and stamp is required only if not printed on official letter head with no logo...

Anyone who got Tier 1 with online salary slips please?

[ChetanOjha]

If you have online payslip, you need to get stamp and signed the payslip from your employer. No matter what special paper you use...you have to get it stamped and signed

yes, The company name is on the top.Printer printed sheets. White paper. I'm afraid they wanted that one which usually printed on special sheets(green or blue fields fillied with payslip details).
Anyway I have no change and must chase my previous employee to stamp/seal that unaccepted sheets and write a letter which states so.

thanks for answers guys!

Hi Learned members,

I am still bit confused with what is required. I am employed with an Indian company that provides a softcopy of salary slips which contains company logo at the top with their Indian address mentioned at the footer of page. Do you think this would be a problem ?

Also, if I have to submit it to Home Office, do I need to take printout in normal A4 printer sheets (or some special paper) ?

Looking forward to valuable suggestions.

Thank You
hsmp12345

[romanslon]

here I attached screenshots of my payslips.

I found that one of the not accepted payslipts has a signature from an accountent, and still not been accepted.

Guys how to sort it out?
I see 2 ways:
As employee to put a seal on each payslip
+put an accountant signature
+write a message on official company blank which will state how much I earned and signed by company accountant and her contact details.

any ideas?

[hsmp12345]

here I attached screenshots of my payslips.

I found that one of the not accepted payslipts has a signature from an accountent, and still not been accepted.

Guys how to sort it out?
I see 2 ways:
As employee to put a seal on each payslip
+put an accountant signature
+write a message on official company blank which will state how much I earned and signed by company accountant and her contact details.

any ideas?

Thanks romanslon

I observe that the invalid payslips may be just a printout / copy of original payslips. In that case you are correct that better have a company seal and authorized signature on them. If possible, it may also be helpful to have this (duplicate payslips case) validated via letter from company.

@ Seniors,

I actually receive my salary slips that bears coloured company logo at top and contains my salary components in below (without mention of NI & tax code as it is directly paid by my company). Do you think there will be any problems with this type of salary slips ? Would I need to get any stamp, signature ?

Thank You
hsmp12345

[romanslon]

dunno mate, employee confused as well. they see such kind of 'not authorized' stuff first time.

ohh HO how we love you

[hsmp12345]

dunno mate, employee confused as well. they see such kind of 'not authorized' stuff first time.

ohh HO how we love you

Was just wondering if your early application for FLR by any chance led to them get suspicious and refuse your HSMP --> Tier 1 FLR ?

Did you give any justification for this early FLR ?

Thank You,
hsmp12345

[romanslon]

They dont require to apply right after you visa will expire.
Otherwise its difficult to reapply(see other topics where people got refusal and must leave the country immediately)

[xpscapable]

On my HSMP application 2 years ago my payslip is just online. I printed it out, sent it to my employer ask them to stamp, sign and dated the payslips.

It's enough for HO. Just make sure you send 12 *consecutive* payslips.

[hsmp12345]

They dont require to apply right after you visa will expire.
Otherwise its difficult to reapply(see other topics where people got refusal and must leave the country immediately)

Hi romanslon,

Yeah, I agree with you that it's better to apply a bit early so that you can have an option to reapply (in worst cases) for any small issues (like incorrect salary slips, incomplete documentation etc.).

But I was wondering if we can actually apply 9-10 months before visa expiry (as in your case). Though I am aware that you can apply anytime but it is always good to have some justification along with that.

Even I want to apply early FLR (HSMP --> Tier 1 ext'n due Mar'2010), am just wondeing how early shall I apply.

Thank You,
hsmp12345

[missionextension]

I am wondering what about the guys who have worked on short term contracts here and there through out the year.. In my case, I dont have *consecutive* salary slips.
Please advice if that's a necessity for extension.

[AshwathCR]

I don't think you need any 'Consecutive Payslips'.
Please go thru the document attached which I got from the 'Customer Service Advisor - UK Border Agency'.

On page 15, all the rules are very clearly expalined.

[AshwathCR]

Sorry, I could not find any option to attach a file ?!
So, I am pasting the information :

77. An applicant can claim points for the earnings he/
she has previously made for his/her work.

78. The applicant can claim points for previous
earnings in any single, consecutive 12-month period
during the 15 months immediately before the date of
applying. An applicant may claim points for a 12-
month period of earnings outside of this 15 months
only in very limited circumstances. These are if the
applicant can show that he/she has been:

• away from the workplace for a time during the
last 12 months because of full-time study (initial
applications only); or
• has been away from the workplace for a time
during the last 12 months (or during the 12 months
immediately before starting full-time studies)
because of a period of maternity or adoptionrelated
absence.

79. All the periods we specify are calendar months (for
example 14 January – 13 February).

80. If an applicant claims for a period of earnings that
is more than 12 months we will assess the most recent
period of 12 months for which he/she has provided
evidence.

81. Additionally, we will not consider evidence
of earnings from a period outside the 15 months
immediately before the application, except when an
applicant is claiming a period of absence for full-time
study or maternity or adoption-related absence.

82. An applicant does not have to be in continuous
or full-time employment during the 12 months being
assessed.

83. An applicant may claim for a period of earnings
of less than 12 months if they have earned sufficient
funds to claim the necessary points.

84. We will only consider actual earnings. We will never
consider earnings claimed on a pro rata basis (for
example when the applicant has worked part-time and
tries to claim for what he/she might have earned if the
work had been full-time).